tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post114070181938386445..comments2024-03-25T17:35:02.238-04:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: The Barbaric God of The BibleUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1162176111806397462006-10-29T21:41:00.000-05:002006-10-29T21:41:00.000-05:00As an "atheist", I value the story of Job for debu...As an "atheist", I value the story of Job for debunking Christianity. Christians should see it as fiction, like "Bedazzled". Job lives in an imaginary land, and an imaginary Satan makes a bet with an imaginary God (LOL). The morality play is then set in action.<BR/><BR/>Atheists are so revolted by the premise, that they miss what the story is all about: that God rewards people using physical assets or punishments in this life. At the end of Job, he gets all his wealth back x 2, and a replacement family, and lives to 140.<BR/><BR/>The whole point of Job, is to assure people of this religious axiom that it works. At times Job questions whether evil people are punished, but his friends wax lyrically that they do, and must.<BR/><BR/>Job is ancient propaganda for an old version of Judaism. It has nothing to do with Christianity at all, yet Christians hold the book in high regard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1140759955493364072006-02-24T00:45:00.000-05:002006-02-24T00:45:00.000-05:00Christians continue to solve the problem of good a...Christians continue to solve the problem of good and evil by proclaiming that we are in the same position as God and cannot tell the difference between good and evil.<BR/><BR/>God thinks anything he does is good. It must be terrible to see the world like that, where you are unable to evaluate your actions objetively.Steven Carrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11983601793874190779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1140721097684828772006-02-23T13:58:00.000-05:002006-02-23T13:58:00.000-05:00the mocking spirit:I honestly cannot read your com...the mocking spirit:<BR/><BR/>I honestly cannot read your comment without cracking a smile.Evan Mayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287475721156396697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1140720481291414592006-02-23T13:48:00.000-05:002006-02-23T13:48:00.000-05:00how can christianity deny something as solid as th...how can christianity deny something as solid as the theory of evolution....! it amuses me how christian friends of mine take on their defensive if i even utter the word evolutionThe Mocking Spirithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16588998953425597882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1140718552380715362006-02-23T13:15:00.000-05:002006-02-23T13:15:00.000-05:00streetapologist wrote:"The problem with atheists i...streetapologist wrote:<BR/>"The problem with atheists is they fail to embrace the nihilism that is the *logical* end of their worldview."<BR/><BR/>Quite the opposite actually. An atheist world view develops from the presupposition that both you and I exist. From that one given truth, we can both look at the world around us and agree on certain things. We can come to an apple tree, pluck and apple and say, "This is an apple." We can then pluck another and agree "This, too, is an apple." We can then move over to an orange tree, pluck an orange and say, "This is NOT an apple", and thus, logic is born... logic that can ultimately be used to evaluate evidence, invalidate myths, and discredit superstition and the supernatural.<BR/><BR/>If the atheist worldview were in fact nihilistic, we could never come upon a system of logic, as we could have no definitive agreement of what is and what isn't.<BR/><BR/>Which presupposition do you hold... that god exists, or that you and I both exist? Be careful if you say both, because then you would have to agree that logic is not necessarily of divine origin. If on the other hand you say your presupposition is that god exists, then you have, ironically, boxed yourself into a nihilistic worldview.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"please tell me how you came to distinguish between good and evil?"<BR/><BR/>I learned the rules of society sometime (i.e. "difference between good and evil") around kindergarten through interactions with both my parents and with other kids and adults, who, in turn, were taught by their elders. I'm curious to ask you the same question... How did you come to learn the rules of society?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1140715536064464392006-02-23T12:25:00.000-05:002006-02-23T12:25:00.000-05:00streetapologist: "Perhaps you should explain how y...streetapologist: "Perhaps you should explain how you can label any action whatsoever."<BR/><BR/>"Duh, I donno! Therefore there must be a god!"<BR/><BR/>Is that what you're looking for?Bahnsen Burnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11030029491768748360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1140715139352184352006-02-23T12:18:00.000-05:002006-02-23T12:18:00.000-05:00Dawson- Give us a break. Theodicy is not a problem...Dawson- <BR/><BR/>Give us a break. Theodicy is not a problem for the Christian. Perhaps you should explain how you can label any action whatsoever.<BR/><BR/>The problem with atheists is they fail to embrace the nihilism that is the *logical* end of their worldview. At least Neitzsche was honest, if there are no absolutes anything goes. <BR/><BR/>You said: <BR/><BR/>"Essentially, their god cannot tell the difference between good and evil." <BR/><BR/>Nice assertion, however please tell me how you came to distinguish between good and evil?Dan Dufekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13646426861322857149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1140711075468108812006-02-23T11:11:00.000-05:002006-02-23T11:11:00.000-05:00"This is why the only two solutions to the Problem..."This is why the only two solutions to the Problem of Evil are the existence of an evil deity or atheism."<BR/><BR/>It's clear that Christianity cannot overcome the problem of evil. But that's not the real problem. The problem is that Christians, because of their horrific worldview, have no problem <I>with</I> evil. That's why its apologists are so tickled pink when Bahnsen comes along and says that their god has "a morally sufficient reason to allow evil." Essentially, their god cannot tell the difference between good and evil.Bahnsen Burnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11030029491768748360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1140708487253583882006-02-23T10:28:00.000-05:002006-02-23T10:28:00.000-05:00"The truth is that nature’s God does many things t..."The truth is that nature’s God does many things that if we did them we’d be indicted for crimes against humanity."<BR/><BR/>This is why the only two solutions to the Problem of Evil are the existence of an evil deity or atheism.Zachary Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16991061670470673718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1140705502244224282006-02-23T09:38:00.000-05:002006-02-23T09:38:00.000-05:00A worldview which opposes man's right to exist for...A worldview which opposes man's right to exist for his own sake, is not a worldview that is fit for rational individuals. The biblical worldview opposes man's right to exist for his own sake. As you mention in your piece, the bible encourages the view that human beings can be someone's property. I can find no condemnation or prohibition of slavery anywhere in the bible, and some believers today are shameless in their admission that their biblical worldview condones slavery. I quote two of them here:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.unchainedradio.com/nuke/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=437&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45" REL="nofollow">TreyFROG</A>:<BR/><I>"As to slavery, i believe you are correct: slavery is perfectly biblical--always has been, always will be until Christ comes again and sets up a society that is free of all work, hardship, suffering, and servitude of any kind."</I><BR/><BR/>And <A HREF="http://www.unchainedradio.com/nuke/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=469&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60" REL="nofollow">Dusman</A>:<BR/><I>"Yes, slavery is biblical and I'd agree with my BLACK friend TreyFrog. OT/NT believers owned slaves and were slaves, the Mosaic law legislated slavery and and the NT gives principles of ownership re: slaves, slaves were instructed to submit to their masters in the OT & NT, both freedom and slavery could be considered a blessing, and some form of slavery will continue till the end of time. Slavery is considered to be neither "here nor there" by the Apostle Paul and is a recognized social institution in the NT. What is condemned as sin in the OT, and especially in the NT is the mistreatment of slaves.</I><BR/><BR/>Clearly this is a worldview that views man as a means to someone else's ends. The appeal to invisible magic beings can be used to justify anything. As one philosopher puts it: "If God exists, everything is permissible." Indeed, Mt. 19:26 admits as much: "with God all things are possible."<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>DawsonBahnsen Burnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11030029491768748360noreply@blogger.com