tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post114100692464172018..comments2023-12-01T18:05:24.875-05:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: Both Sides of the FenceUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1169048122259724972007-01-17T10:35:00.000-05:002007-01-17T10:35:00.000-05:00Well well well, what have I stumbled onto !? "Wel...Well well well, what have I stumbled onto !? "Welcome aboard Joe?" To what guys? I was an athiest once until God proved me wrong about that. I tried to prove Him wrong but He just kept loving me, as He does you guys, and then, remarkably, He set about forging a real and incredibly meaningful relationship with me. (to my utter amazement). Is this imaginery? Absolutely not. Am I fanciful or reaching out for false hope? Absolutely not. Have I got some incurable fear of hell that keeps me from not believing in God? No, what drives my faith is that each day I discover incredible things about His love for others and His "unfathomable nature". Actually God tells us very very clearly that His nature is actually "fathomable" if we are brave enough to venture out and discover it. The issue of suffering and evil is something I've looked at logically from both sides of the coin. The reality is we live in both a cruel and unforgiving world and we live in an awe inspiring and incredibly beautiful world. My glass isn't half empty so I will always polarise to the latter, however we must never deny the former as it is in this world that if you have a heart to do so, we can affect the most change for the better. You see, whilst we are debating the existence of God and the problem of evil people are starving and people need your help and need to see a practical extension of God's love, in whatever form. (incidently, anyone is capable of doing that, whether 'thiest' or athiest, whatever they may be.) ie: I don't think God pays too much attention to titles such as these, He just loves His people and has layed down His life for them and desperately wants them to 'go and do good, stop arguing and go make a difference!' I said a brief farewell today to some friends who were off to a remote village in The Sudan (a war torn country if there ever was one, with human suffering beyond imagination). The reason for 12 people to spend alot of money each as well as their personal time is becuase they simply want to help create some quality of life to a remote village without easily accessible water and without any real solid building structure. So these people are going there to partner with this particular tribe to build a multipurpose building that will be used for their primary needs. These being education, hospilisation and general health management and worship. Yes, these remote villagers fully believe in the God of the Bible. (and please don't assume they are primitive or uneducated to believe such a thing. This would demean them, they are valueable and terrific people). A well will be dug in time and a rain water tank will be installed alongside this multipurpose building. This village is living in abject poverty and they are deeply moved that a small group of people would be brave enough to come across from Australia and risk life and limb to help these forgoten ones(they have to be on the look out constantly for local bandits, etc). But such is the love of some people for others they have never met that they would in fact do this. Are they 'bleeding hearts' hopelessly misguided? No, they are highly intelligent loving people who know what they want in life. They want to share their resources and skills with ones far less fortunate. They want to share the love of Christ in a most practical way, even if they never spoke a word about Him. Note: They are NOT going there to preach in any way, but to love others unconditionally (and to work incredibly hard to meet a 10 day dealine to get all of this done!).<BR/>So why the arguements guys?? God’s really not that interested in your arguments, He’s interested in your hearts. Let's all get a life and go make a difference!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1147430335922802732006-05-12T06:38:00.000-04:002006-05-12T06:38:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141168098205362362006-02-28T18:08:00.000-05:002006-02-28T18:08:00.000-05:00Joe, I am very pleased to have you aboard! I'd lo...Joe,<BR/><BR/> I am very pleased to have you aboard! I'd love to have discussions of your skepticism sometime! I find it amazing and awesome that another minister has left the faith! And what's more, you left the Restorationist Cult! I hope you plan to contribute to this blog. I'd love to get to know you more and count you among my colleagues along with John Loftus, ExBeliever, and others!<BR/><BR/> Cheers!<BR/><BR/> MatthewMatthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03301708892076758582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141098424271839112006-02-27T22:47:00.000-05:002006-02-27T22:47:00.000-05:00Anonymous ~ Freethinker: : one that forms opinions...Anonymous ~ <BR/>Freethinker: : one that forms opinions on the basis of reason independently of authority; especially : one who doubts or denies religious dogmaStardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141090334062853072006-02-27T20:32:00.000-05:002006-02-27T20:32:00.000-05:00"The freethought movement is growing all over our ..."The freethought movement is growing all over our planet."<BR/><BR/>...this is a great example of pure religious dogma!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141069983784619332006-02-27T14:53:00.000-05:002006-02-27T14:53:00.000-05:00"The answer was that I felt a lonelyness in my lif...<I>"The answer was that I felt a lonelyness in my life, and God came and filt it."</I><BR/><BR/>Isn't this the same thing as an only child who is lonely and creates an imaginary friend in her/his mind to fill the void?Stardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10560872454564355114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141055613948603122006-02-27T10:53:00.000-05:002006-02-27T10:53:00.000-05:00This from Joe's deconversion story:I tried to resi...This from Joe's deconversion story:<BR/><BR/><I>I tried to resign from the ministry quietly, but the ministers I trusted in made that <BR/>impossible. September 28, 2003 was the date of my resignation....After I resigned, I was put on more prayer lists than I could imagine -- a lot of <BR/>good they did! I got my share of emotional phone calls from ministers, friends, <BR/>and members of the churches I preached at before, pleading me to "hold on", <BR/>telling me I was too good a minister to leave the fold. Generally, I got the usual <BR/>thoughts from people who didn't understand my outlook and made every effort to <BR/>blame my change on all the wrong reasons: "You were never really converted." <BR/>"You were pushed into preaching too soon." "You just had too strict a church and <BR/>their interpretation ruined you to real moderate Christianity." "You were just <BR/>frustrated by the brethren." "You are just going through a phase, a sort of midlife <BR/>crisis." But when I defended my decision to leave, I quickly became the flaming <BR/>heretic without hope of saving: "You are evil!!" "Do you worship the devil now, <BR/>Joe?" "Joe, you have no morality!" "Will you beat me and take my wallet now that <BR/>you're an atheist, Joe?" They called me not knowing what they were in for. It was <BR/>almost funny to listen as they got upset and tried to get off the phone as quickly <BR/>as possible! At least several preachers and long-time church friends, forbade me <BR/>to contact them ever again, and most of them haven't reached out since, except <BR/>for one, maybe.</I><BR/><BR/>Of course Joe, Christians continue to do this with us and this Blog here. But so long as we formerly agreed with them we were wonderful people. <B>We haven't changed who we are just because we changed our beliefs.</B> But most Christians won't allow themselves to see it this way.<BR/><BR/>Welcome aboard Joe!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141017138970333162006-02-27T00:12:00.000-05:002006-02-27T00:12:00.000-05:00Joe,Welcome aboard. I look forward to your though...Joe,<BR/><BR/>Welcome aboard. I look forward to your thoughts and comments.<BR/><BR/>Greg,<BR/><BR/>Why not wait until Joe actually presents an argument and then you can explain why they are or are not valid? It seems a more noble pursuit than empty platitudes aimed at someone's experiences that are not subject to debate.exbelieverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04821290397922309515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141016369015990902006-02-26T23:59:00.000-05:002006-02-26T23:59:00.000-05:00Well said, Mr. Holman! Speaking for myself, I'm gl...Well said, Mr. Holman! Speaking for myself, I'm glad to be on the same side as you. And not incidentally, I'm also glad <I>not</I> to be on the same side as the previous posters in this thread, both of whom demonstrate quite well how fundamentalist religion degrades human empathy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1141013704328891712006-02-26T23:15:00.000-05:002006-02-26T23:15:00.000-05:00How sad, Joe. How very sad.How sad, Joe. How very sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com