tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post116716643231570369..comments2024-03-25T17:35:02.238-04:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: Was Jesus God Incarnate?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-84203553801018442552010-01-04T01:34:06.092-05:002010-01-04T01:34:06.092-05:00Clearly the theocracy offered to Moses in the moun...Clearly the theocracy offered to Moses in the mountain failed due to human frailty. Why cant God wear flesh and blood? Of course, God can give up any of the prerogatives of God in order to accomplish his plans. Obviously this could include becoming a helpless little baby or for that matter an adult with an apparent lack of knowledge of the unseen. So He chose to make a reality that which to us is an apparent contradiction -- that too is/was God’s prerogative. <br />I cannot figure out way to reconcile the apparent contradiction. That doesn’t make me a blind faith, brainwashed follower. Its just something that I am not privileged to understand right now. I find plenty of other reasons to believe the Bible in spite of the “logical” contradiction of God incarnate. <br />Accurate prophesy fulfilled, to me, proves the message of the Bible (Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Revelations, etc…).<br />Did Jesus wet the bed? I did, and in a strange way, I guess I hope he did to. In Gods plan what difference does it make? If Jesus is God, then we all have a lot of explaining to do. If he wasn’t God, then we are all living on a meaningless ball of rock and water called earth, and the Adolph Hitler is the moral equivalent to Mother Theresa. (I can’t possibly accept that)!<br />Messiah fills three critical roles: prophet, priest and king. God can do any of the tree, or all of the three. No one else ever could or did. I tend to think of the trinity like water. It comes in three forms, namely solid, liquid and gas.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09063230861609804760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1168355289432865862007-01-09T10:08:00.000-05:002007-01-09T10:08:00.000-05:00I never really saw the problem with Jesus being fu...I never really saw the problem with Jesus being fully human - but having some special place with God (whether he is God or not - well the texts are kind of leaning towards Messiah - but this was an early church doctrine). The problem is if he is part of trinity - in this post - and maybe Jesus is - how would I prove, dis-prove any of this to fact? Can't be done - can only be supposed we understand everything there is to know about the situation - which we don't (a lot of it is guess-work on our parts - from both sides). <BR/><BR/>I am not against the rationale of thr blog - I find it rather funny - but I think it is a way to try explain something that would be unexplainable in virtue (ie: God-hood).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1167621146322870992006-12-31T22:12:00.000-05:002006-12-31T22:12:00.000-05:00And finding God with your intellect, reasoning and...And finding God with your intellect, reasoning and 5 senses, is all but impossible.<BR/><BR/>Well pville, intellect, reason and our senses are all we have to go on. I cannot force myself to believe in things that my intellect rejects.<BR/><BR/>I know that the Bible is not the word of God, and I know that the God of the Bible does not exist. I've already been there and found that I could not make myself to believe in myth and superstition just because it has survived into the present day.Tommykeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751182125861177379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1167523751082367822006-12-30T19:09:00.000-05:002006-12-30T19:09:00.000-05:00It seems John, you missed the first part of the ve...It seems John, you missed the first part of the verse, and to chop it in half and not include the first part which is the prerequisite of the interpretation, trust in the Lord first, and lean not to your own understanding, it has to do with , listening to his way rather then our own, it bothers me that you missed that . As to likening me to a muslim extremist , that’s so far off base that its hard to find a answer, but I’ll try, muslims do not follow the base of there own beliefs and they teach there children at a young age to hate Jewish people, and killing is there dream, not mine, theirs is much like brain washing, the difference is I choose who washes my brain.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Then what is the correct school to put your faith in? Ray<BR/><BR/><BR/>that’s the whole point, there doesn’t need to be a school per say; the GOD of the universe made us and chooses us and then he hides from us, and makes us go and learn all the different schools of thought before we find the magnificence of life, doesn’t that seem to you to be a bit much? well if it does that’s because it’s a bit much for God also, learning meekness is a tough on the pride of man, it makes no sense to him. And finding God with your intellect, reasoning and 5 senses, is all but impossible, but Jesus said that the things that are impossible with man is, is possible with God, ask and you shall receive, seek and you will find, knock and the door shall be opened, now there’s the school and that’s the test!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1167404693816460062006-12-29T10:04:00.000-05:002006-12-29T10:04:00.000-05:00So Carl, like I asked above, was Jesus ever a bedw...So Carl, like I asked above, was Jesus ever a bedwetter as a child? Did he get into fistfights with other kids? If we are going to accept that he was fully human when he walked the Earth (and if he existed at all, then fully human is all he ever was) then as a child he should have engaged in many of the same behaviors.Tommykeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751182125861177379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1167357848681340992006-12-28T21:04:00.000-05:002006-12-28T21:04:00.000-05:00You are taking those statements out context. When ...You are taking those statements out context. When Jesus came to us he came as a human person. When Jesus died and resurrected he became the perfect example of man, and was given the original body that God gave us before the fall of man in Adam. That was the body God intended to give us before we gave it up with your self greed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1167263809843061682006-12-27T18:56:00.000-05:002006-12-27T18:56:00.000-05:00Then what is the correct school to put your faith ...Then what is the correct school to put your faith in?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1167262995913510562006-12-27T18:43:00.000-05:002006-12-27T18:43:00.000-05:00Very interesting points, John. The more one examin...Very interesting points, John. The more one examines the idea of Jesus as "God incarnate," the more wackiness one will begin to uncover. See my blog <A HREF="http://bahnsenburner.blogspot.com/2005/08/christianity-as-worship-of-self.html" REL="nofollow">Christianity As the Worship of Self-Contradiction</A>, in which I note the Athanasian Creed's famous dictum that Jesus is "wholly God wholly Man." I list the following 20 points where this means that Jesus is both A <I>and</I> non-A:<BR/><BR/>* God is <I>uncreated</I>, but man is <I>not</I> uncreated<BR/>* God is <I>divine</I>, but man is <I>not</I> divine<BR/>* God is <I>supernatural</I>, but man is <I>not</I> supernatural<BR/>* God is <I>perfect</I>, but man is <I>not</I> perfect<BR/>* God is <I>immutable</I>, but man is <I>not</I> immutable<BR/>* God is <I>almighty</I>, but man is <I>not</I> almighty<BR/>* God is <I>sovereign</I>, but man is <I>not</I> sovereign<BR/>* God is <I>omniscient</I>, but man is <I>not</I> omniscient<BR/>* God is <I>omnipotent</I>, but man is <I>not</I> omnipotent<BR/>* God is <I>omnipresent</I>, but man is <I>not</I> omnipresence<BR/>* God is <I>omnibenevolent</I>, but man is <I>not</I> omnibenevolent<BR/>* God is <I>infallible</I>, but man is <I>not</I> infallible<BR/>* God is <I>infinite</I>, but man is <I>not</I> infinite<BR/>* God is <I>eternal</I>, but man is <I>not</I> eternal<BR/>* God is <I>immortal</I>, but man is <I>not</I> immortal<BR/>* God is <I>incorporeal</I>, but man is <I>not</I> incorporeal<BR/>* God is <I>non-physical</I>, but man is <I>not</I> non-physical<BR/>* God is <I>immaterial</I>, but man is <I>not</I> immaterial<BR/>* God is <I>incorruptible</I>, but man is <I>not</I> incorruptible<BR/>* God is <I>indestructible</I>, but man is <I>not</I> indestructible<BR/><BR/>If any one of these obtains, it is enough for to prove an internal contradiction in the very conception of Jesus. Hence Christians worship a literal contradiction. Paul Manata sought to refute these points <A HREF="http://bahnsenburner.blogspot.com/2005/08/christ-jesus-still-jumble-of.html" REL="nofollow">by comparing Jesus to a sandwich</A>. Leave it to Christian apologists to entertain with their ever-increasing levels of absurdity.<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>DawsonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1167262805020949512006-12-27T18:40:00.000-05:002006-12-27T18:40:00.000-05:00pville63 said: "lean not to your own understanding...pville63 said: <I>"lean not to your own understanding"</I>.<BR/><BR/>That can also be an excuse for a Muslim terrorist who believes in the Koran despite the intellectual difficulties with it. You cannot do otherwise than to lean on your own understadning. I repeat, you cannot do otherwise. Any rational response to this will be your reasoning. And if not, then it's blind faith. I repeat, it's blind faith, akin to the Muslim terrorists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1167262195475364012006-12-27T18:29:00.000-05:002006-12-27T18:29:00.000-05:00Was Jesus God Incarnate?NO!, if the Christians rea...Was Jesus God Incarnate?<BR/><BR/><BR/>NO!, if the Christians read all the references that Jesus makes about him self and the references that EL:  makes to him its very obvious that they are separate, if he(Jesus) will be sitting at the right hand then isn’t that enough, and the parable that that stated he God would send his son to the workers at the vineyard, and there statement was look this is the owners son lets kill him and take possession, the references go on and on the answer is clear; cemetery students are having there minds cluttered with senseless information, Jesus never said, or referred to him self as God, and the miracles of healing and all other things that pertain to the miraculous, is none other than the Holy Spirit of God, giving him (Jesus) the ability to perform all the miracles, all of the so called profound teachings amounts to nothing, it can’t be verified by scripture. The intellectual has a need to explain, and need reasons why, they feel they need a answer, and how ridiculous is that, like God almighty needs some one to defend him, now that’s laughable, he needs some school to define him, and the most pathetic thing is this, that people listened, how sad for them. You cannot bring together all the different church’s to agree, so how can you expect there schools of thought to make sense, this one says I’m right and the others say there right, so who’s right? God is! And his representatives, if they really are his reps. And there’s also ways that you can prove if his reps. are valid, but that another post. And here goes some of my reiteration, the only thing I can gather is that you must have had the wrong teachers, and listen to the wrong school of thoughts, our God is great and he, is the same yesterday, today and forever, you bad taste comes from a bad influence. Think about this, trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not to your own understanding, and in all your ways acknowledge him and he will direct your paths, if you ask him for wisdom he’ll freely give it, stop being mislead. You put a stop to it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1167240133819240922006-12-27T12:22:00.000-05:002006-12-27T12:22:00.000-05:00Excellent excellent post! Major kudos. The very co...Excellent excellent post! Major kudos. <BR/><BR/>The very concept of "human" and the very "concept of divine," by definition include certain attributes and exclude others. It is wholly incoherent to say of someone that he is 100% man and 100% God since the very definition of man contains certain limitations. All of this is very heavily couched (as you pointed out) in prevalent mythological beliefs at the time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1167230451476375942006-12-27T09:40:00.000-05:002006-12-27T09:40:00.000-05:00Instead of playing Triune semantics, why not go ba...Instead of playing Triune semantics, why not go back into the Bible and knock the "divinity" of Jesus out once and for all? The various genealogies (Matthew 1:11, Luke 3:31) show the rabbi as having three (3) relatives cursed by Yahweh never to have descendants who can inherit the throne of David (a prophecy prerequisite found, among other places, in Luke 1:32). Drag out Jeremiah 22: 28-30 for Coniah, 1st Chronicles 3:16 and Jeremiah 36:30 for Jehoiakim, and 1st Chronicles 29:1 for Nathan, and it becomes quite apparent that Jesus was not the "anointed" of Jewish lore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-1167184460003716502006-12-26T20:54:00.000-05:002006-12-26T20:54:00.000-05:00If Jesus was really a flesh and blood human, does ...If Jesus was really a flesh and blood human, does that mean as a child he did all of the things regular children do? Did he ever wet his bed? Have a nocturnal emission? Get into fights with other kids? Or did he just walk around with a halo around his head and a strange gleam in his eye?Tommykeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751182125861177379noreply@blogger.com