tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post2697641618771376287..comments2023-12-01T18:05:24.875-05:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: Child Sacrifice And a Very Nasty God...Very Nasty!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-68448373626884655722008-03-06T12:34:00.000-05:002008-03-06T12:34:00.000-05:00Harvey,O.K.Harvey,<BR/><BR/>O.K.leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16371409643400358786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-13189292749158207102008-03-06T12:31:00.000-05:002008-03-06T12:31:00.000-05:00Then Mr. Lee IDIOT~ I certainly won't waste my tim...Then Mr. Lee IDIOT~ I certainly won't waste my time arguing with YOU!<BR/><BR/>Please!District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-16041374776070026372008-03-06T12:14:00.000-05:002008-03-06T12:14:00.000-05:00Dear Harvey,I had stop for a moment because I thou...Dear Harvey,<BR/>I had stop for a moment because I thought your blog was a parody, then I realized you were serious.<BR/><BR/>I started to respond. NAH! I offer for your consideration Proverbs 14:7 but for you I'll paraphrase it. "Do not waste your time arguing with an idiot."leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16371409643400358786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-71069446213375616822008-03-06T01:26:00.000-05:002008-03-06T01:26:00.000-05:00District Supt. Harvey Burnett said..."To All The B...District Supt. Harvey Burnett said...<BR/><BR/>"To All The Baby Killers...etc."<BR/><BR/>I read your post and my reaction was "wow....just, wow". I feel sorry for the constituents in your city, Mr. District Superintendent. Your attitude needs some adjusting and your level of ignorance is astounding. NOBODY who is pro-choice approves of abortions. How DARE you call anyone a baby killer? You don't know us! Abortion is ALWAYS a last resort. Pro-choice means keeping the option of abortion available as a last resort; AFTER all other options have been considered and ruled out. THAT is the purpose of services like Planned Parenthood. <BR/><BR/>It's the religious Right that twists things around and makes people out to be "baby killers" simply because they DO NOT understand what the movement is truly about. Did you know that statistically there are LOWER abortion rates in countries/states where people receive proper sex-ed and contraception than in countries/states where they don't? <BR/><BR/>Now...wouldn't you rather live in a society that takes the time to educate its citizens about safe sex and birth control rather than abstinence (which doesn't work by the way)? I hope so, because education reduces abortions; that's a proven fact. If you think otherwise, then you haven't done your research.RockLobsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02969059890697490997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-17509626671386425062008-03-06T00:25:00.000-05:002008-03-06T00:25:00.000-05:00To All The Baby KillersI assume that some of you h...To All The Baby Killers<BR/><BR/>I assume that some of you had kids...What made you NOT kill them in the crib? I mean if they were good enough to KILL in the womb, what constrained you? <BR/><BR/>ANSWER- Your sense of RIGHT AND WRONG...Where did that come from?<BR/><BR/>God NEVER endorsed any type of child sacrifice in ANY FORM. The Abraham story shows proves as such by the outcome. Egypt brought a cure upon ITSELF by it own words and refusal to turn according to the Biblical account. Much if not everything you site in your article John is a result of MAN’S refusal to turn and do righteously. Not of God just scooping down and making people perform certain acts. It’s a RESULT and outcome of the choice of SIN.<BR/><BR/>Further HELL was NOT created for men…MEN choose HELL and therefore HELL enlarged herself…God created NOONE to go to HELL. Again, another misrepresentation found commonly on this site. <BR/><BR/>You sensationalists and anti-Christ advocates are more confused than a giraffe in a midget contest. <BR/><BR/>You don't have to be in church or know God’s word to have a sense of RIGHT and WRONG...As far as I can remember I KNEW when I did wrong although I did it many times anyway…NO I didn’t grow up in church and never read the Bible until AFTER I went to church. This is a common experience to many individuals, so as much as you may not want to hear it...The HEAVENS DECLARE HIS GLORY and GOD HAS SPOKEN TO HUMANITY through CONCIENCE...The Earth and the fullness thereof is HIS.<BR/><BR/>Man is not as helpless as you suppose and presuppose. Neither you nor I are. That's partially why we are more than BIOLOGY and lumps of flesh. We cannot escape accountability for the light that has been revealed to us. <BR/><BR/>Thanks.District Supt. Harvey Burnetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15315686602819371111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-64803889347610008692008-03-05T22:55:00.000-05:002008-03-05T22:55:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Emanuel Goldsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02653303041185240250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-66448972336696111672008-03-05T22:00:00.000-05:002008-03-05T22:00:00.000-05:00After trying to figure out how the discussion drif...After trying to figure out how the discussion drifted into abortion, I found this... <BR/><BR/>Joe: <I>Just a thought for any Pro-Choice Atheists out there who feel justified in your own choice to abort life.</I><BR/><BR/>Red Herring. <BR/><BR/>You're comparing human beings with limited knowledge to an omnipotent, omniscient being. Clearly, God should be exponentially more moral than us. Yet, this doesn't seem to be the case.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11193595678064010528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-74847475243060777942008-03-05T16:33:00.000-05:002008-03-05T16:33:00.000-05:00Joe:Lee, you are very bible literate. When has God...Joe:<BR/><BR/>Lee, you are very bible literate. When has God ever chosen super smart people to be his messengers? <BR/><BR/><BR/>The apostle Paul. The only recorded person ever evangelized by Jesus personally after the resurrection.leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16371409643400358786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-79564869622330236022008-03-05T16:15:00.000-05:002008-03-05T16:15:00.000-05:00Bruce,Do you think you just might of stated the TR...Bruce,<BR/><BR/>Do you think you just might of stated the TRUE underlying motivation <BR/>of the Pro-Choice movement when you stated:<BR/><BR/><BR/>"So a woman has no say whatsoever about whether she wants to give <BR/>that zygote a chance at life."<BR/><BR/>and<BR/><BR/>"Just a little reminder, there are two lives involved in this <BR/>process, the fetus and the woman. You seem to keep forgetting about <BR/>the latter. Oh, that's right, you're a man, so as far as you're <BR/>concerned, a woman should just shut up and bear it and carry the baby <BR/>to term. Besides, she can just put it up for adoption if she doesn't <BR/>want to keep it. Yes, that has been working so well for us lately, <BR/>hasn't it?"<BR/><BR/>Particularly<BR/><BR/>"a woman should just shut up and bear it and carry the baby to term."<BR/><BR/>This to me is very revealing that the true issue / motivation behind <BR/>the Pro-Choice movement is women who don't want to give up their <BR/>right to end life because it might be an inconvenience to them. <BR/><BR/>How selfish!<BR/><BR/>And I am NOT addressing the cases of pregnancy against a women's will <BR/>like abuse. To me, a different debate.<BR/><BR/><BR/>And Bruce, you are correct again when you state:<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Just a little reminder, there are two lives involved in this <BR/>process, the fetus and the woman."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Unfortunately for the fetus, one life of the two now has the power to <BR/>end the other without just cause. Oh I forgot, according the Bruce, <BR/>the just cause is so she doesn't have to "shut up and bear it and <BR/>carry the baby to term."<BR/><BR/>I wonder if that same women who can't bear to carry the baby to term <BR/>walks out of the clinic and heads for the protest line with sign in <BR/>hand: "Stop the War in Iraq" or "Save the Whales" or whatever <BR/>movement seems more important than saving innocent life.<BR/><BR/>Just a thought....Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13505549379222790407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-40103136342319706912008-03-05T14:49:00.000-05:002008-03-05T14:49:00.000-05:00Oli' just a small disagreement hereCaine killed ab...Oli' just a small disagreement here<BR/><BR/><I>Caine killed abel as a sacrifice, but god rejected it.</I><BR/><BR/>Cain killed Abel because his sacrifice wasn't accepted but Abel's was, Abel was not the sacrifice of Cain. Besides Cain wasn't a "real" Christian anyway.Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05816549810869986623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-60035017685083457652008-03-05T13:43:00.000-05:002008-03-05T13:43:00.000-05:00Harry McCall, I'm so glad to hear you weigh in on ...Harry McCall, I'm so glad to hear you weigh in on this. Take your time, but I'll await this with much eagerness.<BR/><BR/>Cheers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-38659340610055535082008-03-05T13:08:00.000-05:002008-03-05T13:08:00.000-05:00Bruce,Do you deny the existence of Partial Birth A...<I>Bruce,<BR/><BR/>Do you deny the existence of Partial Birth Abortion because it is the 800lb gorilla for Pro-Choice folks?</I><BR/><BR/>I think you know what I meant and are purposely trying to twist my words. Just like there is no such thing as the "Death Tax" because it is an Inheritance Tax, there is no such thing as "Partial Birth Abortion" because it is a propaganda term created by anti-choicers instead of using the correct term, which I believe is something like Dilation and Extraction. I was talking about the words you were using, not the actual techniques themselves.<BR/><BR/><I>They want to keep it legal for the few cases when it appears to be the only choice. Incest, sexual abuse cases, rape, mother is at risk... I would be hard pressed to believe this is the majority of abortions.</I><BR/><BR/>You need to go back and reread your previous posts. I was responding to this:<BR/><BR/>"Please defend the practice of aborting a baby who is further along in the process than some premie baby's who are born and live."<BR/><BR/>Hence, I was giving examples of times when it is justifiable to have an abortion after viability. I never said that these were the majority of abortions because in fact they are not. I was only responding to your question because you seem not be able to realize these things yourself.<BR/><BR/><I>Enough of this debate about when the zygote is life. It is the removal of the chance at life, which in all likelihood will occur if left to the nature process of pregnancy and birth, that is so grievous.</I><BR/><BR/>So a woman has no say whatsoever about whether she wants to give that zygote a chance at life. I guess she has to pray for a miscarriage and if God answers her prayers then he is now the abortionist. <BR/><BR/>Just a little reminder, there are two lives involved in this process, the fetus and the woman. You seem to keep forgetting about the latter. Oh, that's right, you're a man, so as far as you're concerned, a woman should just shut up and bear it and carry the baby to term. Besides, she can just put it up for adoption if she doesn't want to keep it. Yes, that has been working so well for us lately, hasn't it?Brucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11338993634025153018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-53740826810434088592008-03-05T12:36:00.000-05:002008-03-05T12:36:00.000-05:00John, away from the abortion issue, I hope to have...John, away from the abortion issue, I hope to have a main posted for discussion (in the next several weeks) a study of two Hebrew words (one a noun and the other a verb) and their context within the Deuternonomic History to show that Israel’s God not only accepted, but demanded human sacrifice including from the unborn, to babies, to children and adults to appease his drive for blood and flesh. In my post I will show that apart from the early tabernacle traditions and, latter, the Jerusalem cult, Yahweh was little different from his Canaanite brother, Molech.Harry H. McCallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08974655354593831851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-28212966510519074532008-03-05T11:01:00.000-05:002008-03-05T11:01:00.000-05:00damn...i'm back:"Can you name one case where a sex...damn...i'm back:<BR/><BR/>"Can you name one case where a sexually abused girl was forced by the abuser to have the baby?<BR/><BR/>In all cases where pregnancy is known to the abuser, the abuser forces the girl to have an abortion ."<BR/><BR/>-this is utter bullsht, especially the use of the word "ALL." I couldn't give you exact numbers by any means, but would bet anything that MANY fundies in all three abrahamic religions emotionally manipulate their daughters into avoiding abortion in ANY case, even in incestual abuse relationships. Fact is actaully that, to this day, whole families will gather around a promiscuous daughter and brutally murder here to the sound of cheers and clapping- they're defending their family's honor, as far as they see it- it was the woman's fault for allowing her self to be defiled, so she must die- THAT is reality, not bullshit rhetoric- it doesn't happen everywhere; but, it's the extreme end of the spectrum and rare, meaning that we have every right to conclude that emotional manipulation in order to coerce a daughter into birthing a biologically retarded being as a product of incestuous sexual abuse, well, meaning we have EVERY right to conclude that THAT practice is much more common that HONOR-KILLINGS.<BR/><BR/>Get yer facts straight.The MetaKonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11375053341211489196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-34566326290192156642008-03-05T10:54:00.000-05:002008-03-05T10:54:00.000-05:00sorry...this thought made me chuckle, so I thought...sorry...this thought made me chuckle, so I thought I'd share:<BR/><BR/>"""Since it does not exist, then there should be no problem in passing legislation outlawing the practice that isn't ever performed."""<BR/><BR/><BR/>Since unicorn hunters do not exist, then there should be no problem in passing legislation outlawing the hunting of unicorns that isn't ever done.<BR/><BR/>Partial birth abortions do exist, they are very rare, very safe, and generally used only in medical emergencies where the mother's life is in jeopardy.<BR/><BR/>The real problem with bible thumpers is that they literally FEEL justified in declaring that their OPINIONS are LAW even when they have absolutely zero ground in this heathen reality, zero facts to back up their BELIEFS.<BR/><BR/>Not that I'm implying that god can literally scramble your ability to reason or anything like that.The MetaKonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11375053341211489196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-73035817375944481812008-03-05T10:50:00.000-05:002008-03-05T10:50:00.000-05:00For those of us who unfortunately live in reality,...<I>For those of us who unfortunately live in reality, we know that even parents can be complete assholes and father's or uncles or family friends can knock up young girls and then threaten them with violence if they go to anyone. Do you really want that girl to be forced to carry that baby to term? Do you really want her to risk her life by going to the authorities?</I><BR/>Can you name one case where a sexually abused girl was forced by the abuser to have the baby?<BR/><BR/>In all cases where pregnancy is known to the abuser, the abuser forces the girl to have an <I> abortion </I>.Michael Ejercitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10707862691472293497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-50889931840730221502008-03-05T10:29:00.000-05:002008-03-05T10:29:00.000-05:00Bruce,Do you deny the existence of Partial Birth A...Bruce,<BR/><BR/>Do you deny the existence of Partial Birth Abortion because it is the 800lb gorilla for Pro-Choice folks? <BR/><BR/>Since it does not exist, then there should be no problem in passing legislation outlawing the practice that isn't ever performed. <BR/><BR/>Will Pro-Choice'ers get in the way of such legislation?<BR/><BR/>Or is it because there might be someone, at some point who will need to have the procedure performed that we need to keep it an option.<BR/><BR/>Funny thing about the liberal viewpoint. They are all for what is the best choice for the majority of people, until it impedes on their life.<BR/><BR/>Case in point is Abortion. They want to keep it legal for the few cases when it appears to be the only choice. Incest, sexual abuse cases, rape, mother is at risk... I would be hard pressed to believe this is the majority of abortions. <BR/><BR/>So if the above extreme circumstances doesn't make up the majority of abortions performed in the US, why would the liberal stand up and vote to sacrifice the many for the few. I thought liberals were for the little guy?<BR/> <BR/><BR/>Before we ridicule and wave our fist at God for child sacrifice in the bible, we ought to look in the mirror at our own human nature and policy that says it is ok to bring death to a collection of matter that has the potential for life. (intentionally not stated as a baby)<BR/><BR/>After all, the definition of death is: "Death is the cessation of life in a biological organism."<BR/><BR/>If a conception has occurred, it is reasonable to assume that conception will result in life. To remove that chance is to cause death.<BR/><BR/>Enough of this debate about when the zygote is life. It is the removal of the chance at life, which in all likelihood will occur if left to the nature process of pregnancy and birth, that is so grievous.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Call me thick headed, but I will never understand why the same person would call for the end of a war in Iraq (I am not for the war myself) yet continue to support the practice of ending life in its most innocent form.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13505549379222790407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-50035822536002411752008-03-05T09:35:00.000-05:002008-03-05T09:35:00.000-05:00Bruce:There is no such thing as "partial birth abo...Bruce:<BR/><I>There is no such thing as "partial birth abortion". It ranks right up there with the "Death Tax" as mere propaganda. If you want to be taken seriously in the abortion debate, you will at least have to agree to stop making stuff up.</I><BR/><A HREF="http://www.abortioninfo.net/facts/pba.shtml" REL="nofollow">Are You Sure</A><BR/><BR/>I don't think it is propaganda nor made up as you say.Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05816549810869986623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-11513433693977264652008-03-05T09:26:00.000-05:002008-03-05T09:26:00.000-05:00Lee,I gather you are very familiar with the Bible ...Lee,<BR/><BR/>I gather you are very familiar with the Bible from your intelligent posts. I am not being sarcastic here. Honest. <BR/><BR/>By the way.. Proverbs 14:7 had me roaring when I looked it up. Very funny I have to say. Even tho the joke was on me, it was brilliant.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Sorry to have strayed from the original question in this post so much. I will try and tie it to your point of ambiguity.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Lee, you are very bible literate. When has God ever chosen super smart people to be his messengers? In general, did God use the scholars of the day to bring his message, or the simple and lowly. A brief look at the record book, the bible, reveals usually not the high and mighty or "brightest minds" as you stated in your comment. Sure Paul was very well educated in the ways of Judiasm. And what was his conclusion of that knowledge. Rubbish in so many words.<BR/><BR/>Don't take my word for it however....<BR/><BR/>1 Corinthians 1:27<BR/><BR/>But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.<BR/><BR/>Therefore your premise that the "brightest minds" of the last 2000 years would get it all right is not necessarily in line with the bible and Gods chosen method.<BR/><BR/>What does God do when his people stray from his word. He sends a prophet, does he not? He sends a prophet to set the record straight.<BR/><BR/>Oh I just realized my comment is highjacking this post again... I have to stop that.<BR/><BR/>If you are interested, check out this site for an interesting ministry God sent to the 7th Church age. <BR/><BR/>www.believethesign.com<BR/><BR/>Thank you all for a good, vigorous debate. I wish you all well.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13505549379222790407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-56355546813363825932008-03-04T22:27:00.000-05:002008-03-04T22:27:00.000-05:00I am sure you aren't suggesting that losing some s...<I>I am sure you aren't suggesting that losing some sperm is in the same category as partial birth abortion.</I><BR/><BR/>There is no such thing as "partial birth abortion". It ranks right up there with the "Death Tax" as mere propaganda. If you want to be taken seriously in the abortion debate, you will at least have to agree to stop making stuff up. <BR/><BR/><I>I am calling on all Pro-Choice supporters to list the appropriate reasons why the movement deems it necessary to fight for legislation that would allow a very young girl to undergo an abortion without the knowledge of her parents.</I><BR/><BR/>Ever worked in a women's shelter? I haven't but my wife did for years, so I think I have a good understanding of how these things work. But I guess you have just been blessed by God so much that you have never ever had to witness the pure hell of sexual abuse. For those of us who unfortunately live in reality, we know that even parents can be complete assholes and father's or uncles or family friends can knock up young girls and then threaten them with violence if they go to anyone. Do you really want that girl to be forced to carry that baby to term? Do you really want her to risk her life by going to the authorities? In a perfect world this sort of crap wouldn't happen, but I'm sure you can agree that this isn't a perfect world.<BR/><BR/><I>Please defend the practice of aborting a baby who is further along in the process than some premie baby's who are born and live.</I><BR/><BR/>What if the mother's life is at stake? What if the baby is obviously not going to make it? This actually happened to a friend of mine last year. The baby was beyond hope but was going to come to term and be delivered if they didn't abort. Yes, the abortion was a hard choice, but actually giving birth to such a baby is at least as hard, if not harder.<BR/><BR/>And a lot of pro-choicers have no problem with limiting abortions after a certain point in time, but that doesn't mean you don't leave in exceptions as well for the later months.<BR/><BR/><I>I can't think of anything worse than partial birth abortion.</I><BR/><BR/>You, my friend, obviously need to get out a lot more. You seem to be living a sheltered life.Brucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11338993634025153018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-40258043637165605282008-03-04T20:10:00.000-05:002008-03-04T20:10:00.000-05:00WOW! Thanks Joe for setting me straight. My Hat's ...WOW! Thanks Joe for setting me straight. My Hat's off to ya. 2000 years of the brightest minds of the church who, by the way were considered to be teachers of the church, as in "to some he gave apostles, to some prophets, teachers...ect;" all or most of them got it wrong...but you have got it fiqured out. <BR/><BR/>You have made my point brilliantly about the abiguity of Christianity. If the greatest theological minds in 2000 years can't come to any consensus on the major doctrines of the church, even if you are a christian how do you know you are worshipping the way you should worship or the God that you should. God seems to be pretty strict about worship just ask Nadab and Abihu who did not give god what he asked for. <BR/>This post is about child sacrifice and you have made the point very clear, God was ambiguous on the matter, and only a very few people were the fortunate ones who were given the lucky lottery ticket to heaven. Only they had the intellect or the favor of god to understand, and you are the modern day gnostic with the secret.<BR/><BR/>You're just playing darts with religion. Which is exactly what everyone else is doing.<BR/><BR/>Anyway consider Proverbs 14:7 as my way of saying good evening to you.leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16371409643400358786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-12060606602602374622008-03-04T19:57:00.000-05:002008-03-04T19:57:00.000-05:00Joe,I'll be happy to talk to you about this on som...Joe,<BR/><BR/>I'll be happy to talk to you about this on some other forum.<BR/><BR/>It's clear this is a sidelight to this topic.<BR/><BR/>However, you at least agree that the pro-life after conception theory is fundamentally hypocritical. I'm glad you are happy to be a hypocrite.<BR/><BR/>Email me at YaxPac--at--aol dot com<BR/><BR/>if you want to talk about the pro/life anti/choice topic.Evanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14299188458940897810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-12868008723321378082008-03-04T19:32:00.000-05:002008-03-04T19:32:00.000-05:00Evan,You have a point. Therefore I will take a po...Evan,<BR/><BR/>You have a point. Therefore I will take a position of:<BR/><BR/>Pro-Life After Conception<BR/><BR/>and for the other side, we will have the position of:<BR/><BR/>Pro-I-Have-a-Choice-if-you-will-live-or-die<BR/><BR/>I am sure there is some sarcasm in your comment however. I am sure you aren't suggesting that losing some sperm is in the same category as partial birth abortion. If so, I would be forced to question your reasoning ability. Your ability to be completely literal and logical, would not be questioned however.<BR/><BR/>Since you have thrown down a challenge, I will throw down one of my own:<BR/><BR/>I am calling on all Pro-Choice supporters to list the appropriate reasons why the movement deems it necessary to fight for legislation that would allow a very young girl to undergo an abortion without the knowledge of her parents. <BR/><BR/>Or<BR/><BR/>Please defend the practice of aborting a baby who is further along in the process than some premie baby's who are born and live. I can't think of anything worse than partial birth abortion.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13505549379222790407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-2372114321783769872008-03-04T19:14:00.000-05:002008-03-04T19:14:00.000-05:00Lee,A few insights into where I am in my search of...Lee,<BR/><BR/>A few insights into where I am in my search of faith that might help close the gap between you and myself..... a weeee bit....<BR/><BR/>1. I do not believe in Denominations. They are not biblical.<BR/><BR/>2. With much sadness I believe the state of the mainstream "Christian Church" is getting farther and farther from the truth of the Bible. That is why in Revelation we read that Jesus was on the outside of the door (the church) and was knocking to be let in. That is why Revelation states that the churches of the 7th church age would be naked, blind and poor and NOT EVEN KNOW IT. Can you image the state of a person who was naked and didn't even know it.<BR/><BR/>We baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit when the desciples did no such thing in Acts. They baptized in "The name of the Lord Jesus Christ".<BR/><BR/>We have a trinitarian God. Again, not in the Bible. <BR/><BR/>3. There will be people in Heaven who are "surprised" to be there. <BR/><BR/>Matthew 25 34:40<BR/><BR/> 34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' <BR/><BR/> 37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' <BR/><BR/> 40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' <BR/><BR/><BR/> I believe this accounts for those who legitatmetly didn't have a chance to hear the Gospel. Paul also speaks of a certain group who had the laws of God written on their heart and therefore were a law unto themselves. <BR/><BR/>Romans 2:14<BR/><BR/>"For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:"<BR/><BR/><BR/>As you can see.... I break tradition with "mainstream" Christian church in almost all views / doctrines they hold dear. And this breaks my heart. Sadly this is the view that people have of the Christian faith and it is entirely inaccurate.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Lee Said:<BR/><BR/>"But Joe is there really love when it is coerced by the threat of infinite punishment in hell for finite sins? "<BR/><BR/>Response:<BR/><BR/>I have no problem with Hell. Where or what would be a better solution for those who have decided to transgress the laws set forth by the King. That is why we have prisons here on earth. Should we just let all the criminals mingle with those of us who have decided to walk the straight and narrow. <BR/><BR/>Sidebar: Hell is NOT eternal as the mainstream church would hold. In order to have existance in Hell for Eternity, one would have to possess eternal life. There is only one source of eternal life, and that life certainly won't have any part of hell. "The wages of sin is Death, (not eternal life in hell)<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Lee Said:<BR/><BR/>You gave (4) options of how God could provide salvation to all men. I won't pretent to know the answer. God is God and assuming he is creator of all, he can do as he pleases. He does leave us clues:<BR/><BR/>The bible said he wishes all men to be saved. The sacrifice of Jesus is open to all who accept it. <BR/><BR/>I agree with you. There are people, like Pharoah, who seemed doomed from the beggining. And that may be. What we don't know is if God will grant salvation to Pharoah because he was "doomed". That is up to God.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>In Conclusion:<BR/><BR/>If you seek, you will find. Atheist are seeking for support of their view and therefore as the Bible says, they will find that support. If one seeks for understanding and wisdom from the Bible, it plainly states they will find that.<BR/><BR/>I am powerless to change anyone's heart. <BR/><BR/>Either there is a God or there isn't.<BR/>Either the Bible is correct or it isn't.<BR/>Either Jesus walked the earth and died for man or he didn't.<BR/>Either John 3:16 is true, or it isn't.<BR/><BR/>In the words of Apostle Paul, if all of this is a lie then we (christians) are to be the pitty of all men!<BR/><BR/>The responsibility is given to all men and women to seek for their answer and therefore I salute those on this blog who are at least searching and being diligent to come to their own conclusion about Life and the origins thereof. ... which is more than I can say for many who walk into churches each and every Sunday.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13505549379222790407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-86825325748410715242008-03-04T17:31:00.000-05:002008-03-04T17:31:00.000-05:00The deeper question to me and one Joe seems unwill...The deeper question to me and one Joe seems unwilling to tackle is if "pro-lifers" are actually in favor of life.<BR/><BR/>Joe goes on and on about other things now, but if he's actually pro life, he should really stop and think about what that means.<BR/><BR/>We know that Christians do not believe that life can come from non-life.<BR/><BR/>So if they believe that all sperm and all eggs are alive (which they undoubtedly do), then their focus on the moment of conception is absurd.<BR/><BR/>ALL Sperm are a potential life now (using facilitated reproduction techniques) and most certainly ALL ova are a potential new life.<BR/><BR/>A woman's menstrual period can actually abort a live zygote as well.<BR/><BR/>What a true pro-life position would be is the natalist position held by Andrea Yates.<BR/><BR/>This would suggest that all eggs that a woman creates should be fertilized if at all possible, beginning at the time she has her menarche. More importantly, when the tragedy of menstruation occurs, the menses should be screened aggressively for live baby tissue in the residua so that it may be reimplanted (forcibly if necessary) in the woman whose body is trying to murder it.<BR/><BR/>The time of marriage would need to be around 11 or 12 years of age depending on the onset of menarche in the girl, and it would need to be arranged very rapidly and to men of known potency.<BR/><BR/>To say that the loss of a zygote is the loss of a life is really ridiculous, it is the loss of sperm and eggs that are the real problem, and this will happen regardless of the legal status of abortion.<BR/><BR/>I call on all pro-life individuals to harangue against legal statutes against child marriage, to work to make menstruation illegal, unsafe, and rare, to cease the practice of Onanism, and to ensure that all ova of all women of all ages be allowed to develop into live children. Failure to do this will be seen as a simple extension of the pro-choice position, and thus objectively pro-death.Evanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14299188458940897810noreply@blogger.com