tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post3194751926037315811..comments2023-12-01T18:05:24.875-05:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: Either the Garden of Eden Test Was a Sham or a MythUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-19713703603527069832010-03-17T14:44:09.603-04:002010-03-17T14:44:09.603-04:00Breckmin on UCD: (which has been build up by scien...Breckmin on UCD: <i>(which has been build up by scientists using 10's of thousands of inductions open to error for the last 151 years or more).</i><br /><br />This is a gem. Apparently, UCD is suspect <i>because</i> it is supported by so many inductions, which are here treated like links in a chain, only as strong as the weakest one. I wish I could be on trial by these standards. "People of the jury, <b>one</b> of the two hundred security cameras which caught the defendant committing the crime has turned out to be faulty. Clearly, reasonable doubt has been met and exceeded."<br /><br />zenmite: <i>Before the arrival of the Israelites, snake cults were well established in Canaan in the Bronze Age, for archaeologists have uncovered serpent cult objects in Bronze Age strata at several pre-Israelite cities in Canaan.</i><br /><br />This passage from Numbers might be a holdover from that:<br /><br />21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.<br />21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.<br /><br />Ah, good ol'<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathetic_magic" rel="nofollow">sympathetic magic</a>. Even if it <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/images.html" rel="nofollow">does</a> violate the second commandment. Should have done <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vayetze#The_speckled_and_spotted_sheep" rel="nofollow">the wood version</a> instead!Lenoxushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10809085020841868387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-6047724433697560392010-03-17T14:43:42.074-04:002010-03-17T14:43:42.074-04:00All you have to do for the Eden story to make sens...All you have to do for the Eden story to make sense is add the sub-textual assumption, "There is nothing evil, in and of itself, about disobeying Elohim". (Also, "Elohim" is sometimes one and sometimes many gods.) Only later did Elohim become consistently singular and omnimax, thus leading to weirdness in the story's language and logic ("become like us").<br /><br />Anyway, you know what would be pretty cool? If any person could pick up any copy of the Bible and read it in a wording that makes perfectly clear sense to them. Does that sound like too high standards, somehow? Does the idea make you cringe with its "fundamentalism"? Than you're going to have to stop insisting that God is all-powerful. As it is, there is nothing that distinguishes the Bible as any more the word of God than the Koran. My idea is just one of hundreds of hypotheticals (such as the book appearing in multiple ancient places simultaneously).<br /><br /><br />Samphire: <i>Finished. Here they are: Do I get a prize?</i><br /><br />Well, to be fair, it's a little more than that. We know that there certainly were Israelite tribes who worshiped the God the Tanakh so conflictingly describes, though none of the listed names (Abraham, Jacob, Moses) are certain historical figures. Also, most of the other nations the Bible mentions did/do exist, although they probably didn't endure as much mass death and suffering as the Bible loves telling us they did. Likewise, there <i>was</i> a Roman Judea and it was governed at one point by a Herod and a Pontius Pilate.<br /><br />That's all I can think of, though. None of the major, well-known stories are known to also be true historical events, as far as I know; Jericho didn't even have walls to knock down in the first place.<br /><br />(It's because of this that literalists love going crazy for any archeological evidence for <i>any</i> of it, such as the Flood or the Exodus. Even Jesus's possible historical existence is treated like a huge deal by many Christians, as though it lends the slightest bit of credulity to the mythical claims <i>about</i> him. (Ever heard of Uri Geller, for example? He definitely exists.) Even if there were a global flood, that wouldn't prove the Bible one bit — it would simply have been a historical event the Bible recorded. I could write a story right now about how 9/11 was caused by fairies, and if people in the distant future, having forgotten about our history, discover the records of the 9/11 attacks, that won't mean my version of the events is remotely believable.)<br /><br />So, um, never mind; it's not a little more than that.Lenoxushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10809085020841868387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-63196419865774230172010-03-17T09:57:56.649-04:002010-03-17T09:57:56.649-04:00Tristan D. Vick writes,
You infer the snake might...Tristan D. Vick writes,<br /><br /><b>You infer the snake might have had legs...? The bottom line is, the snake in evolutionary terms (at least at the time the story would have been passed down orally), already slithered on its belly. So punishing a creature which already slithered on its belly to spend the rest of its days crawling on its belly is not a punishment--it's a redundancy. A sign of oral story telling myth, probably told around a camp fire.</b><br /><br />Your interpretation that the snake had legs all along actually doesn't make much sense. As you say, "punishing a creature which already slithered on its belly to spend the rest of its days crawling on its belly is not a punishment--it's a redundancy." The God of the opening chapters of Genesis appears to be a bit of a nitwit, but even he's not dumb enough to toss around redundant curses.<br /><br />You might want to check out how R. Crumb depicts the serpent in his illustrated version of Genesis. You can see what he looks like here: http://www.joenolan.com/2009/09/hollow-can-you-go.html. It's about halfway down the page.<br /><br />The blogger comments, "The most striking detail in Crumb's Genesis is his representation of the serpent in the garden as a scaly lizard man walking upright on two legs. I was taken aback by this until I remembered my own catholic upbringing in which we learned that the serpent doesn't crawl on its belly until God curses him to do so as punishment for interfering with eve and encouraging her to eat the fruit. Most Bibles don't say so explicitly, but the implication, one that is backed up by most theologians, is that the serpent walked like a man before he was cursed."Northlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00769117142960558423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-45836832489866223492010-03-17T06:25:36.520-04:002010-03-17T06:25:36.520-04:00Triston.
So what your saying is that the Eden sto...Triston.<br /><br />So what your saying is that the Eden story is just one version of a very common and ancient concept?shanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07118637281630775156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-14786760013350387532010-03-17T05:45:50.813-04:002010-03-17T05:45:50.813-04:00Also I don't see the myth as trying to explain...Also I don't see the myth as trying to explain why the snake doesn't have legs. Lots of things don't have legs. Snails don't have legs. Slugs don't have legs. Earth worms don't have legs.<br /><br />Crabs, centipedes, and octopuses have too many legs.<br /><br />I mean, the idea is that God was a Creator and made the animals that way to begin with. Only the talking snake gets punished.<br /><br />So I agree with Lenoxus 'Prometheus' argument, but I think it goes beyond that if you consider that Yahweh defeated the serpent, making it his pet, and keeping it in the mystical garden to protect it--just as the serpent is viewed in many cultures to be the guardian of truth, wisdom, and knowledge. Norse, Greek, Hindu, and even Buddhist traditions have guardian snakes all related to trees of knowledge or else directly tied to the chief deities.<br /><br />However, I think the Garden of Eden myth is a watered down version of a likely much more potent earlier form of the myth, when Judaism was still a polytheistic faith. <br /><br />As for serpent myths, Wikipedia lists the readily known ones:<br /><br />In many myths the chthonic serpent (sometimes a pair) lives in or is coiled around a Tree of Life situated in a divine garden. In the Genesis story of the Torah and Biblical Old Testament the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is situated in the Garden of Eden together with the tree of immortality. <br /><br />In Greek mythology Ladon is coiled around the tree in the garden of the Hesperides protecting the entheogenic golden apples. Similarly Níðhöggr the dragon of Norse mythology gnaws the roots of Yggdrasil, the World Tree. <br /><br />Under yet another Tree (the Bodhi tree of Enlightenment), the Buddha sat in ecstatic meditation. When a storm arose, the mighty serpent king Mucalinda rose up from his place beneath the earth and enveloped the Buddha in seven coils for seven days, not to break his ecstatic state.Tristan Vickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05348780254008374268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-80327827014867501242010-03-17T05:32:29.230-04:002010-03-17T05:32:29.230-04:00@P.Coyle
You infer the snake might have had legs?...@P.Coyle<br /><br />You infer the snake might have had legs?<br /><br />I infer that, and also, that the snake also had wings, a rocket pack, an eye-patch, and telepathy.<br /><br />I mean, we can infer almost anything we want to.<br /><br />The bottom line is, the snake in evolutionary terms (at least at the time the story would have been passed down orally), already slithered on its belly.<br /><br />So punishing a creature which already slithered on its belly to spend the rest of its days crawling on its belly is not a punishment--it's a redundancy. A sign of oral story telling myth, probably told around a camp fire.<br /><br />So basically the snake gets off scott free since his punishment is literally to keep doing what he's already been doing his whole slithering existence.Tristan Vickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05348780254008374268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-36409900788408829632010-03-17T05:28:00.309-04:002010-03-17T05:28:00.309-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Tristan Vickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05348780254008374268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-47399664377182828292010-03-16T23:54:22.038-04:002010-03-16T23:54:22.038-04:00Breckmin.
Firstly, neither you or i was around in...Breckmin.<br /><br />Firstly, neither you or i was around in Moses time to know if he had any part in writting the Pentateuch so you cant say you know.<br />But from what i have read on the subject, there is money mentioned in the Pentateuch which was not coined in Moses time, and there are cities mentioned which were not around in Moses time.<br />Also, the end of Deuteronomy shows it was not written by Moses, so what reason do we have to believe that Moses had any part in the rest of its authorship?<br />It is only by tradition that Moses is said to be the author, nobody really knows, but the evidence would seem he did not.<br /><br />Second, we dont need a heavenly or perfect language to explain true and logical events.<br />We just need the uncontradictory truth.<br /><br />third, You talked about the simplicity and trust which is the end result to truth, and there are too many inexactisms in scripture to get consumed!<br />My question then- why the bible?......Why would an omniscient God choose to spread the information we need for the salvation of our souls through such an inexact book?.....Why do we even need the bible if it is the holy spirit who convicts and leads us to the truth?<br /><br />Especially since the bible took almost 1500 years to even reach North America, and millions have died before the gospel reached themshanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07118637281630775156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-45399879607608286692010-03-16T22:44:32.534-04:002010-03-16T22:44:32.534-04:00"Also, im confused why you would say that the..."Also, im confused why you would say that the Genesis account was not perfect if you are a christian who believes that the bible is the infallible, inspired word of God? (Assuming you are)."<br /><br />The science of textual criticism allows us to logically identify the errors. They are minor and have very LITTLE to do with theology.<br /><br />There is nothing I can think of that I somehow "disagree with" in the bible..rather I would explain it (rather than explaining it away...what is the difference?). Christianity is logical and philosophically consistent once you learn certain cosmological principles.Breckminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16059206540177008895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-32519083148834841842010-03-16T22:39:02.476-04:002010-03-16T22:39:02.476-04:00"They are sovereignly the exact communication..."They are sovereignly the exact communication that God wants to be in the canon of scripture."<br /><br />This is an imperfect statement, btw. Why? Because I over defined<br />with "exact communication" and the<br />English word "wants."<br /><br />It would have been better to say "They are sovereignly the writings of the apostles and prophets that God allowed/together-<br />acted-with/infinitely decreed to be<br />the canons of scripture."<br /><br />The irony is that I just over-defined again.Breckminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16059206540177008895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-47890497618425764802010-03-16T22:33:17.737-04:002010-03-16T22:33:17.737-04:00"How can a recollection dictated by God in th..."How can a recollection dictated by God in the form of the Holy Spirit be imperfect?"<br /><br />It is actually the language itself that is imperfect...BUT we have equivocation on this English word "imperfect." Why? Because the bible is perfectly what it is supposed to be according to the sovereign will of God and His infinite decree. So in a cosmic sense = "The bible IS perfect" even with all of its imperfections... Question everything.<br /><br />The Holy Spirit of God reveals to the prophet of God His Word and the prophet records it. An apostle of Christ under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit records his testimonies and writes letters(epistles). They are sovereignly the exact communication that God wants to be in the canon of scripture...but that doesn't mean their can't be logical imperfections that we can identify.<br /><br />It is why prayer is sine qua non for our protection from deception.<br />The Holy Spirit of God opens our eyes up to the Truth of the Word of God by His grace.<br /><br />Praying for protection is logical.Breckminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16059206540177008895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-80594708531705692092010-03-16T22:26:18.606-04:002010-03-16T22:26:18.606-04:00Also, im confused why you would say that the Genes...Also, im confused why you would say that the Genesis account was not perfect if you are a christian who believes that the bible is the infallible, inspired word of God? (Assuming you are)."<br /><br />Imperfection is logically everywhere. This is what many people do not understand. Our languages are developed by people who are "learning." We don't have a perfect language which addresses atemporal/transcendent concepts NOR do we have a perfect text of anything - so "why" would the originals need to be perfect either?<br /><br />The problem is a complicated one. It is the difference between the "bible" (which bible?) being the Perfect Word of God verses the bible "containing" the Perfect Logos/Word/Reason of God in an imperfect medium of human languages.<br /><br />When you say "the bible IS the Word of God" you are defaming perfection and God's Holy Word and reducing it to languages of the flesh. While it is true that the languages of the flesh can communicate (in meaning)the Word of God and it can be translated into any imperfect language (with an attempt at dynamic equivalence),<br />until we have a Perfect Language (such as a heavenly angelic language)it is illogical to believe that Paleo Hebrew or koine Greek are anything other than an imperfect medium.<br /><br />There is much much more anthropomorphism throughout the scriptures than most conservative theologians realize. We use logic to interpret the bible and logic itself is the greatest hermeneutic we have.<br /><br />Here is the key: Because the bible "contains" the Perfect Holy Word of God..it is the Holy Spirit of God Who convicts the Christian that the bible is "true" (basically true in what it is seeking to communicate - but perhaps minor error in the details which are meaningless). Because of this.. those who accept biblical inerrancy and read and study it continually are filling their minds up with the Word of God.<br /><br />For this reason...even if inerrancy itself is logically flawed...still those who believe it actually end up being the ones that are being led to truth.<br /><br />In fact, the fascinating thing to me is that the conservative evangelical Christian is probably the one with the most accurate theology..EVEN though they have an inaccurate view of scripture (verbal plenary inspiration).<br /><br />It is the irony of simplicity and trust. The means to get to truth may not be exact...but the truth itself is the end result because of WHAT is being communicated in the imperfect medium.<br /><br />Question everything.<br /><br />There are no authorities among humans who don't make minor errors.. There are too many inexactisms in scripture to get<br />consumed with the details...<br /><br />Another end result: Those who look for contradictions on the details will find it...those who seek truth and trust God will find it through the guidance and conviction of the Holy Spirit.Breckminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16059206540177008895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-86395827249093443902010-03-16T22:07:13.001-04:002010-03-16T22:07:13.001-04:00"From what i understand, it is almost univers..."From what i understand, it is almost universally accepted by historians and even biblical scholars, that Moses was not the author of the pentateuch (first five books of the old testament)."<br /><br />What did the ancient Hebrews believe? Their orthodoxy trumps<br />all those who would later come along and try to rewrite history.<br /><br />FTR, most conservative biblical scholars reject Documentary Hypothesis (and they are correct to do so).<br /><br />Moses may not have written the end of Deuteronomy, but the rest of the Torah was written under Moses' direction.Breckminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16059206540177008895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-78468038957578665322010-03-16T14:24:56.941-04:002010-03-16T14:24:56.941-04:00Brad.
I agree that Eve's conversation with th...Brad.<br /><br />I agree that Eve's conversation with the serpent indicates that she new the difference of right and wrong before she ate the fruit.<br />But as you see, that would contradict "Man has become like us knowing both good and evil" as i already stated!<br /><br />And if you are saying that Eve only knew evil by FACT before she ate the fruit and that the scripture above implies she knew by EXPERIENCE after eating it, this still doesn't work for reasons i mentioned in my last post!<br /><br />It does not add up eitherway.shanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07118637281630775156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-517283184690187582010-03-16T14:11:44.193-04:002010-03-16T14:11:44.193-04:00Brad.
Yes i have considered what you wrote about ...Brad.<br /><br />Yes i have considered what you wrote about knowing something by fact and knowing it by experience.<br /><br />What your saying is that Adam and Eve knew what evil was by fact because God told them.....but they did not know evil in experience until they ate the fruit and their eye's were opened.<br /><br />But i think your digging a deeper hole here and i'll tell you why.<br /><br />The scripture clearly says "man has become LIKE US KNOWING BOTH GOOD AND EVIL"<br />If this refers to experienced knowledge instead of factual knowledge, then God must know by EXPERIENCE what its like to commit evil because Adam and Eve became like HIM! at this point.<br />or<br />Its like I said already, they did not even know what evil was even by fact until they ate the fruit and therefore God unjustly punished them!shanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07118637281630775156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-63688514523831995822010-03-16T13:46:38.867-04:002010-03-16T13:46:38.867-04:00"But if you knew nothing at all about outer s..."But if you knew nothing at all about outer space then you would NOT know that it would kill you to take off the suit!"<br /><br />What I "know" about dying in space, has been told to me. What the first couple "knew" about dying from disobedience was told to them. Eve's reply to the snake makes it pretty clear that she understood that death was an undesirable thing...if nothing else consider the snake's objection. And as for the false dilemma at the end of your statement, I'm going to ask you to consider that there's a difference between knowing mere facts and knowing by experience.Bradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03184505091838154270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-6164362440875439632010-03-16T12:53:04.032-04:002010-03-16T12:53:04.032-04:00Brad.
The scripture does not imply that Adam and ...Brad.<br /><br />The scripture does not imply that Adam and Eve needed to experience evil to know what it was, it implies that they didn't even know the difference of good and evil.<br /><br />Your right, you know something about outer space so you dont need to go there and take off your space suit to experience first hand what the effects would be!<br />But if you knew nothing at all about outer space then you would NOT know that it would kill you to take off the suit!<br /><br />On one hand, if they did NOT know the difference, then God unjustly punished them.<br />or<br />If your example is right, then they DID know the difference and the scripture "man has become like us, knowing both good and evil"....is a false scripture!<br />You cant have it both ways.shanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07118637281630775156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-39843606638433791012010-03-16T12:06:19.038-04:002010-03-16T12:06:19.038-04:00Hi Shane,
By experience, all the first couple cou...Hi Shane,<br /><br />By experience, all the first couple could have known was good, as there was no corresponding evil to separate that which they "experientially knew" and that which was completely outside their world. Yet to suggest that they didn’t know the definitions of good and evil or the definition of die and what that meant is unreasonable. To further suggest that you have to experience something to know it is equally unreasonable. I’ve never traveled into space or taken a space walk, but should I ever have the privilege, I know that heeding the warning to keep my spacesuit on is a very good idea. Though through experience I’ve never had my skin exposed to space, and I’ve never heard of an account of someone dying in space because they removed their suit, I still nevertheless trust the warning: “If you remove your spacesuit while in space you will surely die.”Bradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03184505091838154270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-12110548192783969822010-03-16T10:06:02.548-04:002010-03-16T10:06:02.548-04:00Before the arrival of the Israelites, snake cults ...Before the arrival of the Israelites, snake cults were well established in Canaan in the Bronze Age, for archaeologists have uncovered serpent cult objects in Bronze Age strata at several pre-Israelite cities in Canaan.<br /><br />It is common for any new religion to turn the old gods into devils. When yahweh worship began to dominate snake worship it would've been natural to demonize the older, 'false' religion.<br /><br />Christianity did this to the pagan religions of Europe. Wicca became devil worship by ugly hags. The generic word for ‘god’ in Sanskrit is deva, which becomes daeva in Avestan, and Zoroaster transformed all the devas into evil beings, the servants of Angra Mainya, so that in his language daeva means ‘devil,’ a foul fiend whose worship must be suppressed.<br /><br />So it is about suppressing prior religions. The snake may have originally been worshipped as a source of wisdom and light. But being a jealous god and all....zenmite AKA Marshall Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08696178493758587271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-43241709061365774152010-03-16T09:15:44.192-04:002010-03-16T09:15:44.192-04:00Breck,
How can a recollection dictated by God in ...Breck,<br /><br />How can a recollection dictated by God in the form of the Holy Spirit be imperfect?<br /><br />I will withhold acceptance of your estimation on evolutionary theory until you tidy up that logical contradiction.<br /><br />The certainty of this type of incoherence by religious adherents (supported by conspiracy theories and a persecution complex) is one of the reasons why I don't trust them.Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15657598456196932490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-49901679313591168612010-03-16T08:01:26.649-04:002010-03-16T08:01:26.649-04:00Breckmin.
You said that the Genesis account of Ed...Breckmin.<br /><br />You said that the Genesis account of Eden may not be perfect but it was a recollection by the prophet Moses?<br /><br />From what i understand, it is almost universally accepted by historians and even biblical scholars, that Moses was not the author of the pentateuch (first five books of the old testament).<br /><br />Also, im confused why you would say that the Genesis account was not perfect if you are a christian who believes that the bible is the infallible, inspired word of God? (Assuming you are).shanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07118637281630775156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-86598425874985273852010-03-16T07:09:36.134-04:002010-03-16T07:09:36.134-04:00Lenoxus writes,
I think the myth has some great m...Lenoxus writes,<br /><br /><i>I think the myth has some great moral resonance if the serpent is to be understood as its Promethean hero.</i><br /><br />I like that reading.Northlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00769117142960558423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-17215122065141235512010-03-16T07:07:00.538-04:002010-03-16T07:07:00.538-04:00Tristan D. Dick writes,
It's strange that the...Tristan D. Dick writes,<br /><br /><i>It's strange that the snake gets off scott free....</i><br /><br />Actually, he doesn't:<br /><br />"So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, "Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life. And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."<br /><br />While the myth isn't comletely clear, I infer that the serpent originally had legs, and that God punished him and all his descendants by taking away their legs. Thus the myth "explains" among other things, why snakes have no legs.Northlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00769117142960558423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-39076987197480900792010-03-16T04:56:55.587-04:002010-03-16T04:56:55.587-04:00Or maybe something easier, list the stories that a...<i>Or maybe something easier, list the stories that actually represent the facts. ;-)</i><br /><br />Finished. Here they are:<br /><br /><br /><br />Do I get a prize?Samphirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00327984071854007032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-4975326302756947762010-03-16T03:14:01.824-04:002010-03-16T03:14:01.824-04:00I would argue that the Genesis account of Adam and...I would argue that the Genesis account of Adam and Eve may not be "perfect" BUT it is a recollection by the prophet Moses (along with Aaron/Josuah) under the inspiration of God's Holy Spirit to communicate important truth regarding the first Man and Woman God created (uniquely) and the account of original sin. There are plenty of other stories which corroborate the Genesis account.<br /><br />Here's the problem. Universal common descent theory in science. Sure, I used to be T.E. because it was "believable." I also used to buy all of the nonsense of Documentary Hypothesis and various other historical inductions(clearly open for error). <br />But it is actually universal common descent theory which becomes the second greatest lie (which has been build up by scientists using 10's of thousands of inductions open to error for the last 151 years or more).<br />It is the second greatest lie ever told.Breckminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16059206540177008895noreply@blogger.com