tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post7182330606440959120..comments2024-03-25T17:35:02.238-04:00Comments on Debunking Christianity: Birds of a Fundy FeatherUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-80708584569393353012007-03-09T10:00:00.000-05:002007-03-09T10:00:00.000-05:00I don't want to get into it here, but I have alway...I don't want to get into it here, but I have always found the fundamentalist stance on abortion to be anti-Biblical. I hope there is an abortion thread here sometime.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-59737709752996268412007-03-08T15:31:00.000-05:002007-03-08T15:31:00.000-05:00Since in the U.S. abortion is legal I believe that...Since in the U.S. abortion is legal I believe that Christians ought to try to make it illegal. The people who support abortion will be held responsible by God for approving of murder. It is not a good thing to kill a helpless baby in utero in hopes of saving it from hell. God is just and no one who goes to hell will be innocent, so I trust that he will not do wrong by my own children or anyone else's. I pray for my kids' salvation and I don't think I should kill my 4 year old because that would give her a ticket to heaven. God forbid such foolish thinking when it comes to babies in the womb.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-59117981384017446072007-03-08T15:25:00.000-05:002007-03-08T15:25:00.000-05:00As a Christian who thinks abortion is murder I opp...As a Christian who thinks abortion is murder I oppose the unjustified killing of Abortionists. The civil authorities instituted by God, who must answer to God for their actions, have the power to bear the sword (Rom. 13) not individuals. Whether Abortion should be treated as a capital crime is a separate issue. Individuals who usurp the proper governmental authority to punish criminals become criminals themselves and violate the Biblical mandate to submit to authorities. The only people who are liable to criticism according to the reasoning offered thus far, are disobedient (or possibly ignorant) Christians. Jesus condemns those who murder or support murderers be they abortionists or murderers of abortionists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-120682654895413062007-03-02T15:26:00.000-05:002007-03-02T15:26:00.000-05:00That abortion rhetoric amongst Christian people-gr...That abortion rhetoric amongst Christian people-group's I adamantly oppose - if anyone as so much wants to defend a single abortion doctor sniper or fire bomber - with me they have to show me where they got this from. In the end I have found that they have very little to go by when trying to defend what is outright murder or arson (destruction of property)...from within biblical limits. <BR/><BR/>No where does a supposed 'Christian' have the right to take a 'life for a life ' or a 'life' in general - it's just not there in their teachings. Too bad most of them don't bother to read - again the 'flock' mentality (which sucks in these cases). <BR/><BR/>But I think it is also irresponsible not to say something when these 'nut-jobs' go off on a rant like this - it needs to be opposed by people that share their same faith (which was quite lacking as told in the story)...and opposed as in 'over my dead body first pal or you kill them and you mine was will kill me too'. Some people are stupid and sometimes all they understand is action (or something they can tangibly see). <BR/><BR/>Really weird thing is I don't support abortion either.SocietyVshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10892870801259282254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-8217431439900233602007-02-28T09:56:00.000-05:002007-02-28T09:56:00.000-05:00Must reads:http://shrinkwrapped.blogs.com/blog/200...Must reads:<BR/><BR/>http://shrinkwrapped.blogs.com/blog/2007/02/abortion_on_dem_3.html<BR/><BR/>http://sigcarlfred.blogspot.com/2007/02/psychological-consequences-of-abortion.html<BR/><BR/>Bluey ZarsoffAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-90756897366054619732007-02-27T22:28:00.000-05:002007-02-27T22:28:00.000-05:00I am an athiest...sins don't confront me ...I can ...I am an athiest...sins don't confront me ...I can see for myself what is wrong with a mother killing their child......<BR/><BR/><BR/>If only people would choose to use an effective birth control,<BR/><BR/>They wouldn't have to make another choice........<BR/><BR/>http://www.sexual-health-resource.org/hormonal_birth_control.htm<BR/><BR/>Bluey ZarsoffAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-82900270546431387402007-02-27T21:27:00.000-05:002007-02-27T21:27:00.000-05:00HelsSailing,Have you ever read anything by Barbara...HelsSailing,<BR/><BR/>Have you ever read anything by Barbara Brown Taylor? She's Christian, but finds it more important to practice 'holy ignorance' rather than 'religious certainty.' YOu might like her. She was able to keep her faith and question/doubt. <BR/><BR/>**God demands that each individual be allowed to opportunity to make their own decision.** That does lead back to the Canannite children not having free will. Plus, did Paul have free will in choosing? Jesus kind of blatently showed up and took Paul's sight, almost overwhelming. <BR/><BR/>Ultimately, ask enough questions on Christianity and one's head explodes. :) Which is where faith comes in.<BR/><BR/>And I do believe that's why Andrea Yates killed her children -- or that's the reason she gave.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-11436564029290278462007-02-27T21:04:00.000-05:002007-02-27T21:04:00.000-05:00One more thought - didn't Andrea Yates kill her ch...One more thought - didn't Andrea Yates kill her children because, among other things, she was afraid of them being raised improperly and going to hell? I know she is not your typical Christian, but some can be driven to that ultimate conclusionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-190660342524875902007-02-27T21:01:00.000-05:002007-02-27T21:01:00.000-05:00Yes Heather and Joe, I have considered those conun...Yes Heather and Joe, I have considered those conundrums also. Although I can find no 'age of accountability' in the Bible, most Christians seem comfortable with that idea. I once asked my pastor if abortion was not actually doing the children a favor since they would go to heaven. Pastor said that is certainly true, but God demands that each individual be allowed to opportunity to make their own decision. I know that does not make much sense, but there you go straight from my Pastor's mouth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-56988945903185980572007-02-27T20:20:00.000-05:002007-02-27T20:20:00.000-05:00**Right, and going even further, why didn't God go...**Right, and going even further, why didn't God go ahead and kill ALL infidel nations who were raising hellbound people? ** I know the typical response to this is who am I to question God or He works in mysterious ways, or a combination of those two answers. It still doesn't explain away the fact that under this doctrine, if we aborted every single baby there is, we'd be doing a good thing. We'd be sending an entire future generation to heaven. <BR/><BR/>The other problem with 'God doing them a favor' is I thought free will was the most important thing to him -- but those kids didn't get a choice. <BR/><BR/>But seriously -- we're *appalled* when we see Old Testament behavior in any other circumstance. Yet it's excusable here because God commanded it? If God imparted my sense of morality and those morals tell me that the Old Testament behavior is wrong and it makes me sick to read some of the things God ordered, I'm left with my morals. Otherwise, I could too easily fall into the 'I was just following orders' trap, and history has shown where that's lead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-46039127981405212612007-02-27T19:52:00.000-05:002007-02-27T19:52:00.000-05:00Heather said: "In one of Lee Strobel's books, he a...Heather said: "In one of Lee Strobel's books, he asks why God ordering the Israelistes to kill people (especially the children) wasn't evil. The answer was that God knew that the children would be cast into hell if allowed to be raised in that culture, and thus was saving them. Okay, but that reasoning completely justifies abortion -- babies are completely innocent, so aborting them actually does them a favor and ensures that they end up in heaven. If following that logic, you have done the best thing possible: saved a person from hell."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Right, and going even further, why didn't God go ahead and kill ALL infidel nations who were raising hellbound people? And why didn't he provide for a way to kill all the others (grown men and women in pagan nations) before they became mature, and therefore, accountable? If its non-accountability God wanted, a much more efficient way existed to achieve it: don't allow ANY non-covenant children (non-Jews) to be born. This way, only those who had the proper raising and chance for heaven would live.<BR/><BR/>Quippy little comments like these we are leaving don't even begin to do this subject justice, as so many other logical flaws present themselves in the apologists reasoning.<BR/><BR/>(JH)Joe E. Holmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10273702675019012966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-51822461075754247272007-02-27T19:17:00.000-05:002007-02-27T19:17:00.000-05:00**When I complain to Christians regarding the geno...**When I complain to Christians regarding the genocidal slaughter of Canaanites by Joshua, and as ordered by God, most Christians will retort that the Canaanites deserved it because they were evil and dispossessing the land.**<BR/><BR/>I think it was Karen Armstrong who said that historically, Canaanites were no better and no worse than their neighbors. And aren't they descended from Noah's grandson? The same person Noah cursed because his son saw him naked and didn't cover him [Noah] up? <BR/><BR/>The issue I have with anti-abortionists are their reasons, which does tie into this. In one of Lee Strobel's books, he asks why God ordering the Israelistes to kill people (especially the children) wasn't evil. The answer was that God knew that the children would be cast into hell if allowed to be raised in that culture, and thus was saving them. Okay, but that reasoning completely justifies abortion -- babies are completely innocent, so aborting them actually does them a favor and ensures that they end up in heaven. If following that logic, you have done the best thing possible: saved a person from hell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21219785.post-9683897636811226262007-02-27T18:39:00.000-05:002007-02-27T18:39:00.000-05:00I was just thinking the same thing last night, how...I was just thinking the same thing last night, however with regard to the Phelps crowd protesting the Amish funeral a few months back. I think the same thing applies here as with the abortion clinic bombers. This is the ultimate conclusion of thought to someone who believes that God uses his faithful as instruments of judgement and witness. When I complain to Christians regarding the genocidal slaughter of Canaanites by Joshua, and as ordered by God, most Christians will retort that the Canaanites deserved it because they were evil and dispossessing the land. Most Fundamentalists will go so far as to say that they deserved it because they sacrificed children to their gods. <BR/><BR/>That is about one step removed from murdering an abortion clinic worker.<BR/><BR/>Wow - scary stuff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com