“The Führer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race. This can be seen in the similarity of religious rights. Both have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed.”
And Hitler said of Julian the Apostate:
“wie klar ein Mann wie Julian die Christen und das Christentum beurteilte”
How clearly a man like Julian had judged the Christians and Christianity
A Christian would not agree with Julian the Apostate’s criticisms of Christianity.
As for atheists Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, there is nothing radical about the idea that their atheism informed their actions. If Dawkins doesn't like hearing it, then that's just tough ****.
Hi O'Brien You're probably a decent person generally, as most people are. You are, however, deeply infected with what is generally described as a particularly viral memetic contagion which, fortunately [for you], is psychosomatic in structure but unfortunately [for you], results in significant and differing synaptic development patterns of neural links. In terms of diagnostics, the process manifests as a negatively skewed relational sensibility, and presents as profound physiological and psychological disorientation with little differentiation between perceived and actualized reality.
O'Brien said... "As for atheists Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, there is nothing radical about the idea that their atheism informed their actions. If Dawkins doesn't like hearing it, then that's just tough ****."
Except that i doubt the trait of being a "psychologically disturbed tyrant" has yet been connected to that of atheism alone.Can you please supply your evidence! on how you even make this special connection you make to atheism?.
These type tyrants in our history have also been of either the atheist or faithful type as well.
So yeah id say there is likely to be something real "radical about the idea that their atheism informed their actions" . I suggest its only a real knee jerk! reaction, with total lack of any real interest in truth of matters, and every intent set entirely! only on obtaining revenge by what ever way you find possible.Even if it need be obtained by use of your blatant dishonesty.
But im not really buying it O'Brien.
That these tyrant types can exist whether they be either theist or atheist, seems to suggest this type of tyrancy is not so connected to any special worldview in particular at all.Its a type of psycosis that can obviously effect either faithful, or unfaithful alike.
So the atheism of these particular tyrants you pointed out here, is purely coincidental! evidence.A strawman.
There is absolutely nothing within atheisms,simple lack of belief in Gods, which ever suggests any type of need of any non believer to go killing thousands of people.
Some psychopaths exist and they become these tyrants.That has nothing to do with belief or no belief.
But Dawkins still has every right to question whether infact these theist terrorist type threats of "hell" and "eternal damnation" etc, do ammount to some sort of spiritual abuse.
I think they do.In my opinion i think its quite possibly true it is a terrible terrorist type abuse.Specially when used on children.
Specially if this hell and damnation,isnt even any proven place! of existence?.
Its a type psychological faith terrorist type warfare! , thats aimed entirly at the manipulation and domination of the human psyche.
Besides Hitler sure suffered his fair share of the effects of faith indoctrination in his own lifetime.Faith was obviously an unsettling matter for Hitlers life also,specially when certain faith powers the be that were involved in Hitler life said to him the Jews were those who helped crucify Jesus.Hitlers psychosis was adversely effected by faith.But thats no beg surprise,we already know faith adversely effects very many people.
O'Brien i like your style of simply trying to throw the focus of any heat back over on atheism.But i suggest you totally fail to provide any real convincing evidence for it at all.
Why are you choosing a secondary source. Why not go to the man himself.
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited."
Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922
If you are a Christian you must value testimony. Hitler's testimony would therefore trump Goebbels opinion.
Now, replace "jew" with "atheist" and you will see the kind of arrogance your self-righteous psychology and selective picking of facts empowers.
“The Führer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race. This can be seen in the similarity of religious rights. Both have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed.”"
Wow; we can't get Hitler to say he's an atheist, so we'll just steal a quote from his propaganda minister. This is almost as amusing as Monty Python's "Poor Airport".
There is no bottom to dumb when it comes to the hangers-on here. GearHedEd, who failed to clear the blast radius one too many times, wrote:
"O'Brien quoted Hitler's Propaganda Minister."
I cited his journal entry. Please enlighten us as to why Goebbels would propagandize about Hitler's attitude re: Christianity in his personal journal. Moreover, you ignored the other citation:
And Hitler said of Julian the Apostate:
“wie klar ein Mann wie Julian die Christen und das Christentum beurteilte”
How clearly a man like Julian had judged the Christians and Christianity
Hitler was a occultist; he does not appear to have been an atheist like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. Whether or not Hitler was an atheist, however, he was no Christian.
"I cited his journal entry. Please enlighten us as to why Goebbels would propagandize about Hitler's attitude re: Christianity in his personal journal."
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He didn't use the phrase "rapist protecting, c***sucking, mother-f***er," nearly enough.
Tim Minchin summing up my feelings on the pope.
I fear Richard Dawkins has now both grieved the Holy Spirit and, according to Catholic theology, has committed a Mortal Sin. But damn I; I love him!
Richard Dawkins is such a noxious mediocrity.
Journal entry of Goebbels:
“The Führer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race. This can be seen in the similarity of religious rights. Both have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed.”
And Hitler said of Julian the Apostate:
“wie klar ein Mann wie Julian die Christen und das Christentum beurteilte”
How clearly a man like Julian had judged the Christians and Christianity
A Christian would not agree with Julian the Apostate’s criticisms of Christianity.
As for atheists Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, there is nothing radical about the idea that their atheism informed their actions. If Dawkins doesn't like hearing it, then that's just tough ****.
Godwin's Law!!!
That was a quick one!
A good summary of the Poop's crimes
http://johannhari.com//2010/09/09/catholics-shun-the-pope-who-has-abused-you
FYI, there's another vid of this speech with a much better camera angle.
Hi O'Brien
You're probably a decent person generally, as most people are. You are, however, deeply infected with what is generally described as a particularly viral memetic contagion which, fortunately [for you], is psychosomatic in structure but unfortunately [for you], results in significant and differing synaptic development patterns of neural links. In terms of diagnostics, the process manifests as a negatively skewed relational sensibility, and presents as profound physiological and psychological disorientation with little differentiation between perceived and actualized reality.
Diagnosis pro bono
Cheers
DM is David Mabus, aka Dennis Markuze, a lunatic from Canada.
The sooner the Catholic Church is torn down, the better most of us will be.
O'Brien said... "As for atheists Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, there is nothing radical about the idea that their atheism informed their actions. If Dawkins doesn't like hearing it, then that's just tough ****."
Except that i doubt the trait of being a "psychologically disturbed tyrant" has yet been connected to that of atheism alone.Can you please supply your evidence! on how you even make this special connection you make to atheism?.
These type tyrants in our history have also been of either the atheist or faithful type as well.
So yeah id say there is likely to be something real "radical about the idea that their atheism informed their actions" . I suggest its only a real knee jerk! reaction, with total lack of any real interest in truth of matters, and every intent set entirely! only on obtaining revenge by what ever way you find possible.Even if it need be obtained by use of your blatant dishonesty.
But im not really buying it O'Brien.
That these tyrant types can exist whether they be either theist or atheist, seems to suggest this type of tyrancy is not so connected to any special worldview in particular at all.Its a type of psycosis that can obviously effect either faithful, or unfaithful alike.
So the atheism of these particular tyrants you pointed out here, is purely coincidental! evidence.A strawman.
There is absolutely nothing within atheisms,simple lack of belief in Gods, which ever suggests any type of need of any non believer to go killing thousands of people.
Some psychopaths exist and they become these tyrants.That has nothing to do with belief or no belief.
But Dawkins still has every right to question whether infact these theist terrorist type threats of "hell" and "eternal damnation" etc, do ammount to some sort of spiritual abuse.
I think they do.In my opinion i think its quite possibly true it is a terrible terrorist type abuse.Specially when used on children.
Specially if this hell and damnation,isnt even any proven place! of existence?.
Its a type psychological faith terrorist type warfare! , thats aimed entirly at the manipulation and domination of the human psyche.
Besides Hitler sure suffered his fair share of the effects of faith indoctrination in his own lifetime.Faith was obviously an unsettling matter for Hitlers life also,specially when certain faith powers the be that were involved in Hitler life said to him the Jews were those who helped crucify Jesus.Hitlers psychosis was adversely effected by faith.But thats no beg surprise,we already know faith adversely effects very many people.
O'Brien i like your style of simply trying to throw the focus of any heat back over on atheism.But i suggest you totally fail to provide any real convincing evidence for it at all.
The Führer is deeply religious
So you agree he was not an atheist.
O'Brien,
Why are you choosing a secondary source. Why not go to the man himself.
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited."
Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922
If you are a Christian you must value testimony. Hitler's testimony would therefore trump Goebbels opinion.
Now, replace "jew" with "atheist" and you will see the kind of arrogance your self-righteous psychology and selective picking of facts empowers.
O'Brien quoted Hitler's
Propaganda Minister.
"Journal entry of Goebbels:
“The Führer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race. This can be seen in the similarity of religious rights. Both have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed.”"
Again, for emphasis:
Propaganda Minister.
Wow; we can't get Hitler to say he's an atheist, so we'll just steal a quote from his propaganda minister. This is almost as amusing as Monty Python's "Poor Airport".
There is no bottom to dumb when it comes to the hangers-on here. GearHedEd, who failed to clear the blast radius one too many times, wrote:
"O'Brien quoted Hitler's Propaganda Minister."
I cited his journal entry. Please enlighten us as to why Goebbels would propagandize about Hitler's attitude re: Christianity in his personal journal. Moreover, you ignored the other citation:
And Hitler said of Julian the Apostate:
“wie klar ein Mann wie Julian die Christen und das Christentum beurteilte”
How clearly a man like Julian had judged the Christians and Christianity
"Why not go to the man himself."
I did with my second citation.
"You are, however, deeply infected with what is generally described as a particularly viral memetic contagion..."
The concept of memes is pseudo-scientific claptrap.
Giordano Sagredo wrote:
"So you agree he was not an atheist."
Hitler was a occultist; he does not appear to have been an atheist like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. Whether or not Hitler was an atheist, however, he was no Christian.
"I cited his journal entry. Please enlighten us as to why Goebbels would propagandize about Hitler's attitude re: Christianity in his personal journal."
Old habits die hard.
Like beliefs in invisible gods...
The personal opinion of a very erudite man on Richard Dawkins' philosophical capabilities.
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