I just coincidentally downloaded your interview at ITunes as I often do. First time to your site so excuse me if I'm posting this incorrectly, but a question for you and your readers or fellow bloggers or whatever everyone else is that writes here......
My knowledge of the origins of Christianity has been formed mainly by the Yahoo on-line discussion group "Xianity" and by these two websites.
Based on these sources I've written a letter to the editor to the Erie Times, which I've not yet submitted, which compares the attributes of the Egyptian godman Horus to JC. The two above websites give the impression Xianity is a carbon copy / amalgam of Horus, Mithra, etc.
What is your opinion(s) of the reliability of sources which essentially claim there is nothing original in Xianity and it's entire motif / elements have been copied from earlier pagan religions? I've read a couple of conflicting sources who claim that some authors are guilty of restating previously published information which was later proven to have no merit when ancient manuscripts and documents were examined more closely.
Thanks, Bill Brown "Every sect is a certificate that God has not plainly revealed his will to man. To each reader the Bible conveys a different meaning." -- Robert Green Ingersoll, "Some Mistakes of Moses"
Bill Brown, you are right to be wary as overstating observations is what internet sources do best :) However, you've hit upon a basic rule in history. History is a tapestry in the sense that most of it is necessarily a continuation of existing threads that weave in existing strand which they may then combine into different patterns. And what may seem like a sudden change of course looking back from our vantage point two millennia later was in fact a process that took generations.
There is no better way to confirm the reliability of any statement than checking it for oneself. I found that I had to learn to read Egyptian hieroglyphs and some of the grammar to understand where writers such as Gerald Massey and Ralph Ellis had found their facts.
If you just go searching on the net then you are likely to fall foul of outright lies perpetrated by Christian apologists, the main offender being Turkel/Holding and his Tektonics pages.
One apologist went to town on Acharya's comparison of Horus with the fictional Jesus. Much was attributable to Massey's works. I soon found that the apologist couldn't possibly have even read never mind researched, the source.
For example the apologist claimed that Anup was never a baptiser. Not only had Massey discovered that Anup purified the mummified bodies with water, but another writer, Caroline Seawright tells how the goddess Kebehut - was "the goddess of freshness and purification through water who washed the entrails of the deceased and brought the sacred water to Anubis for his tasks. She was thought to give water to the spirits of the dead while they waited for the mummification process to be complete."
I soon found that point after point given by Acharya was correct and the apologist was telling outright lies. Some points are now on a new youtube, - "Zeitgeist Debunked - Don't Make Me Laugh".
In one of these the apologist had said that Isis-Meri did not exist in Egyptian hieroglyphs. In the youtube an Egyptologist is shown pointing to glyphs in a temple or tomb engraving and translating 'ISIS - MERI'.
You can be assured that just about everything in the gospel stories has been plagiarised from ancient Egyptian beliefs.
HI Bill, the principle in effect in christianity is called "syncretism" and it happens to every religion. Its nothing fancy, its just the tendency of ideas to merge and blend over time.
I've done a few articles here showing how genesis 1-3 are similar to many near eastern myths. Even Jesus has a similarity the buddha by walking on water. You can find that detailed in "Gospel Fictions" by helms.
If you take courses of all types in egyptology and the ancient near east you will get a better picture of what went on back then.
here are some of my articles dealing with some of that.
and this link describes principles of research and how to apply them to the bible. It talks about such things as checking your sources, "triangulation" which is the goal of getting three independent sources for any datum, and has lots of references to guidelines for checking internet resources.
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I just coincidentally downloaded your interview at ITunes as I often do. First time to your site so excuse me if I'm posting this incorrectly, but a question for you and your readers or fellow bloggers or whatever everyone else is that writes here......
My knowledge of the origins of Christianity has been formed mainly by the Yahoo on-line discussion group "Xianity" and by these two websites.
http://www.pocm.info/
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
Based on these sources I've written a letter to the editor to the Erie Times, which I've not yet submitted, which compares the attributes of the Egyptian godman Horus to JC. The two above websites give the impression Xianity is a carbon copy / amalgam of Horus, Mithra, etc.
What is your opinion(s) of the reliability of sources which essentially claim there is nothing original in Xianity and it's entire motif / elements have been copied from earlier pagan religions? I've read a couple of conflicting sources who claim that some authors are guilty of restating previously published information which was later proven to have no merit when ancient manuscripts and documents were examined more closely.
Thanks,
Bill Brown
"Every sect is a certificate that God has not plainly revealed his will to man. To each reader the Bible conveys a different meaning."
-- Robert Green Ingersoll, "Some Mistakes of Moses"
Bill Brown, you are right to be wary as overstating observations is what internet sources do best :)
However, you've hit upon a basic rule in history. History is a tapestry in the sense that most of it is necessarily a continuation of existing threads that weave in existing strand which they may then combine into different patterns. And what may seem like a sudden change of course looking back from our vantage point two millennia later was in fact a process that took generations.
There is no better way to confirm the reliability of any statement than checking it for oneself. I found that I had to learn to read Egyptian hieroglyphs and some of the grammar to understand where writers such as Gerald Massey and Ralph Ellis had found their facts.
If you just go searching on the net then you are likely to fall foul of outright lies perpetrated by Christian apologists, the main offender being Turkel/Holding and his Tektonics pages.
One apologist went to town on Acharya's comparison of Horus with the fictional Jesus. Much was attributable to Massey's works. I soon found that the apologist couldn't possibly have even read never mind researched, the source.
For example the apologist claimed that Anup was never a baptiser. Not only had Massey discovered that Anup purified the mummified bodies with water, but another writer, Caroline Seawright tells how the goddess Kebehut - was "the goddess of freshness and purification through water who washed the entrails of the deceased and brought the sacred water to Anubis for his tasks. She was thought to give water to the spirits of the dead while they waited for the mummification process to be complete."
I soon found that point after point given by Acharya was correct and the apologist was telling outright lies. Some points are now on a new youtube, - "Zeitgeist Debunked - Don't Make Me Laugh".
In one of these the apologist had said that Isis-Meri did not exist in Egyptian hieroglyphs. In the youtube an Egyptologist is shown pointing to glyphs in a temple or tomb engraving and translating 'ISIS - MERI'.
You can be assured that just about everything in the gospel stories has been plagiarised from ancient Egyptian beliefs.
HI Bill,
the principle in effect in christianity is called "syncretism" and it happens to every religion. Its nothing fancy, its just the tendency of ideas to merge and blend over time.
I've done a few articles here showing how genesis 1-3 are similar to many near eastern myths. Even Jesus has a similarity the buddha by walking on water. You can find that detailed in "Gospel Fictions" by helms.
If you take courses of all types in egyptology and the ancient near east you will get a better picture of what went on back then.
here are some of my articles dealing with some of that.
and this link describes principles of research and how to apply them to the bible. It talks about such things as checking your sources, "triangulation" which is the goal of getting three independent sources for any datum, and has lots of references to guidelines for checking internet resources.
Here is a good list of guidelines for checking internet resources Robert Harris's Virtual Salt
Good interview! I like the interviewer too, so I subscribed. He's concise and asked questions that he's obviously prepared in advance.
Are there any audio debates out there you've done, or interviews on any christian stations? That would be interesting.
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