New Testament Christians or Religious Atheists?
The striking fact that I’ve read over and over from most all Christians trying to apologetically defend the Bible is that the only thing that separates them from our DC staff posters is a word called faith.
Since the active Biblical God is now “Dead in the Water” we non-religious fully developed atheist are given apologetic theologies replete with platitudes as to why a once active Biblical God only appears dead in the water.
I’ve asked regular apologetic commentators such as our District Supt. Harvey Burnett about healing. Harvey assures me he and his church have the ability to heal via God and prayer.
Harvey states: “I have done that Harry. I have first hand experience of seeing some who the doctors had medically gave up on before believers gathered, prayed and God raised them up and or reversed their physical illness. In fact Harry, I have some people in my church that were medically diagnosed with cancer and in at least 1 case cancerous tumors. Those tumors no longer exist and cancer is either inremission or cannot be found.”
He further claims: “That's the problem with your thinking Harry, I cannot heal anyone...ONLY God can and that's the part that escapes you. So far as taking what seems to be an impossible situation and healing it, there have been credible testimonies gathered over the years for such phenomea INCLUDING the regrowth and extension of limbs development of organs etc. in response to believing prayer.”
Here’s the problem with Harvey’s claim. There is no objective external proof that anything but random events and positive thinking did any healing. In light of the more positive Religious Atheist I’ve debated here, our charismatic Pentecostal Christian, Harvey is at least attempting to make the Bible claims live today as much as it did 2,000 years ago even if our boat (God) is dead in the water and only appears to be acting, but which is in reality, is only drifting with the wind.
On the other hand, another commenter named David is more inline with what I call a hard-core Religious Atheist. Like most Fundamental Baptist, he sees the New Testament miracles (called in Greek “Signs and Wonders”) some how as having officially ended.
Except for faith, David has only wishful thinking (or positive energy called prayer) to hope one is healed or God’s will is done. For me, David is less of a believer that Harvey and is left with only God called Faith.
To push my point, I took a stance in line with claims given by Jesus and the New Testament that “Signs and Wonders” are proof of the truths Christian over classical and stagnant paganism. David emphatic stated them to be over.
Harry stated: “Please quote me chapter and verse where the Bible states these gift have ended.”
David replied: “No sir, your claim is under question here. Please quote me chapter and verse where the Bible states "signs and wonders" should still be manifest.”
Since I like case studies, I have posted below an event that happened at a local Baptist church. In order to prove that there are Religious Atheist commenting here and that the ONLY thing they have is a God called FAITH, I want any Bible Believing Christians to explain why, in your apologetic defense, God failed to act by either sending this rabid fox down the road to attack and bite the “debauched men and women” at the local strip club or, as Daniel in the Lions Den, protect these Christians as they cried out to God (or anyone else that would listen) for help!
My thesis is that, except for their God called Faith, their explanation will be just like the explanation of any secular person or what I now call Religious Atheist (“Religious” in the same sense that Buddhism is called religious, but, in fact is a philosophy.)
Fox Attacks Family Inside Church
Greenville News
Published: November 6, 2008
A fox attacked two adults and a 6-year-old child inside a Spartanburg County church Wednesday evening, that’s according to the Greenville News.
Other members of Liberty Baptist Church, on Bishop Road, were scratched by the fox as they tried to get the animal out of the church fellowship hall. The Rev. David Duncan said the attack occurred around 6:55 p.m. when his daughter, 20-year-old Alicia Duncan, opened the fellowship hall door. The fox jumped on her and bit her several times before biting another woman’s leg when the animal latched onto her ankle, he said.
The fox then went into the fellowship building and started attacking those inside, even as they used metal chairs to hit the fox, the pastor said. The animal went into the hallway of the church’s main building and back into the fellowship building before it was forced outside, under a car, where it later died.
Duncan said those who were bitten were treated at Spartanburg Regional Medical Center.
Spartanburg County Environmental Enforcement Director Don Arnold said results to determine whether the animal was rabid will be available Friday.
Arnold urges those who live in the area to make sure all outdoor pets have been innoculated against rabies.
Up Date:
The local news tonight (11/07) confirmed the fox was rabid.
Since the active Biblical God is now “Dead in the Water” we non-religious fully developed atheist are given apologetic theologies replete with platitudes as to why a once active Biblical God only appears dead in the water.
I’ve asked regular apologetic commentators such as our District Supt. Harvey Burnett about healing. Harvey assures me he and his church have the ability to heal via God and prayer.
Harvey states: “I have done that Harry. I have first hand experience of seeing some who the doctors had medically gave up on before believers gathered, prayed and God raised them up and or reversed their physical illness. In fact Harry, I have some people in my church that were medically diagnosed with cancer and in at least 1 case cancerous tumors. Those tumors no longer exist and cancer is either inremission or cannot be found.”
He further claims: “That's the problem with your thinking Harry, I cannot heal anyone...ONLY God can and that's the part that escapes you. So far as taking what seems to be an impossible situation and healing it, there have been credible testimonies gathered over the years for such phenomea INCLUDING the regrowth and extension of limbs development of organs etc. in response to believing prayer.”
Here’s the problem with Harvey’s claim. There is no objective external proof that anything but random events and positive thinking did any healing. In light of the more positive Religious Atheist I’ve debated here, our charismatic Pentecostal Christian, Harvey is at least attempting to make the Bible claims live today as much as it did 2,000 years ago even if our boat (God) is dead in the water and only appears to be acting, but which is in reality, is only drifting with the wind.
On the other hand, another commenter named David is more inline with what I call a hard-core Religious Atheist. Like most Fundamental Baptist, he sees the New Testament miracles (called in Greek “Signs and Wonders”) some how as having officially ended.
Except for faith, David has only wishful thinking (or positive energy called prayer) to hope one is healed or God’s will is done. For me, David is less of a believer that Harvey and is left with only God called Faith.
To push my point, I took a stance in line with claims given by Jesus and the New Testament that “Signs and Wonders” are proof of the truths Christian over classical and stagnant paganism. David emphatic stated them to be over.
Harry stated: “Please quote me chapter and verse where the Bible states these gift have ended.”
David replied: “No sir, your claim is under question here. Please quote me chapter and verse where the Bible states "signs and wonders" should still be manifest.”
Since I like case studies, I have posted below an event that happened at a local Baptist church. In order to prove that there are Religious Atheist commenting here and that the ONLY thing they have is a God called FAITH, I want any Bible Believing Christians to explain why, in your apologetic defense, God failed to act by either sending this rabid fox down the road to attack and bite the “debauched men and women” at the local strip club or, as Daniel in the Lions Den, protect these Christians as they cried out to God (or anyone else that would listen) for help!
My thesis is that, except for their God called Faith, their explanation will be just like the explanation of any secular person or what I now call Religious Atheist (“Religious” in the same sense that Buddhism is called religious, but, in fact is a philosophy.)
Fox Attacks Family Inside Church
Greenville News
Published: November 6, 2008
A fox attacked two adults and a 6-year-old child inside a Spartanburg County church Wednesday evening, that’s according to the Greenville News.
Other members of Liberty Baptist Church, on Bishop Road, were scratched by the fox as they tried to get the animal out of the church fellowship hall. The Rev. David Duncan said the attack occurred around 6:55 p.m. when his daughter, 20-year-old Alicia Duncan, opened the fellowship hall door. The fox jumped on her and bit her several times before biting another woman’s leg when the animal latched onto her ankle, he said.
The fox then went into the fellowship building and started attacking those inside, even as they used metal chairs to hit the fox, the pastor said. The animal went into the hallway of the church’s main building and back into the fellowship building before it was forced outside, under a car, where it later died.
Duncan said those who were bitten were treated at Spartanburg Regional Medical Center.
Spartanburg County Environmental Enforcement Director Don Arnold said results to determine whether the animal was rabid will be available Friday.
Arnold urges those who live in the area to make sure all outdoor pets have been innoculated against rabies.
Up Date:
The local news tonight (11/07) confirmed the fox was rabid.