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Kenneth Winsmann On The Three Problems For Testing Petitionary Prayers

Kenneth responded to my post meant for honest Christians on how to test their prayers objectively. He did so by presenting three problems which I responded to each one of them. [Edit: These three problems were first argued by apologist Trent Horn, so when I argue against them I'm arguing against Trent Horn].

I have a few questions about your test that I have been developing since completing WIBA. I have three challenges to your test and would love to see what you think here.

1. The problem of interpreting results:

Imagine that every single prayer was answered. Would that mean that God exists? Or that I had developed some kind of new age focus technique that controls reality? A positive karma shield? Or maybe Satan is answering these prayers to fool me and keep me from becoming a muslim? Or perhaps Stephen Laws Evil God answered them to bring about some greater evil. What conclusions would I draw?

What if all of them fail completely. Nothing is answered. 100% negative response. What does that mean? Is God mad at me for testing Him? Is Satan trying to crush my faith? Is it all for a greater good? Bad Karma? Again, no answers.

If the hits and misses run right about equal what would that mean? If I concluded that God does not exist, wouldn't that be committing the fallacy of affirming the consequent?

Albany is in New York/' I am in New York/ Therefore I am in Albany

Easy to catch the fallacy right? But now run it with prayer

If God goes not exist my prayers will not be reliably answered/ my prayers have not been reliably answered/ therefore God does not exist

Same fallacy.
My response:

Hey Christian, You Can Test Your Prayers Objectively

Believers all around the world claim that their particular god answers petitionary prayers. An answered prayer is a request that is granted while an unanswered one is not, okay? From my experience all that's going on is something called selective observation, where a believer counts the hits and discounts the misses. Scientific studies have shown that these prayers don't get answered any better than luck. So if believers really want to know if God answers prayer then here's what to do: