Anselm "Faith Seeking Confirmation"
I Just Asked Dr. Craig An Important Question
Hi Dr. Craig. I hope you are well.
With the relatively recent work in establishing the strong tendency of human beings toward cognitive biases such as confirmation bias, (which is the mother of all cognitive biases), along with many others like selection bias, the ostrich effect, omission bias, verbatim effect, and so on, what advice do you offer honest inquirers to overcome these biases when searching for the true religious sect? I haven't seen you address this question before.
What perspective do you suggest for honest inquirers when searching for which religious sect is true, if there is one? Surely you don't endorse one of faith seeking confirmation (i.e. Anselm!), as that is the epitome of a known cognitive bias, which leads inquirers to embrace whatever they were raised to believe.
Giving Too Much Credit to the Holy Spirit
Yes, I know, blasphemy!
We can appreciate the urge of Christians to distance themselves from the Old Testament. The pathological anger of Yahweh doesn’t sit well with folks who rank high for empathy; his brutal laws are especially chilling, e.g. rebellious sons and sabbath breakers are to be stoned to death—and The Book of Numbers, one of five in the sacred Torah, describes the revolting ordeal that women accused of adultery must undergo, supervised by priests under the watchful eye of the Lord (5:11-31).Yes, we’re ready to Just Say No to the Old Testament—except for some of its famous stories, I suppose. Christians are proud that Jesus, in the Sermon on the Mount, for example, sets the tone for much better religion—or so they think. Although if they actually read the Sermon on the Mount carefully, they’d find quite a few lines to cross out; e.g., those who have pension plans—even ministers—need to find a way to finesse, “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth…”
Here's a good review of my anthology on miracles by Bradley Dalton
Labels: Dalton Reviews Of My Books
Christianity: Ten Knockout Punches, Number 10
Paul, apostle and saboteur of sane religion
Whose Abject Failure? William L. Vanderburgh Tweets On Hume and Bayesianism
Labels: Bayes Theorem, David Hume
Geez, Just When We Need Evidence Of a Powerful God of Love, They Close Down the Lourdes Shrine!
Archaeology, Exodus, and the Canaanite Conquest
Here's a good interview with students who attend Liberty University
A Helluva Good Story about Heaven
TED Talk from Cognitive Scientist Philip Fernbach
I am a nonbeliever because of this research. I'm skeptical of people who have all the answers. I am skeptical of apologists who claim to have an impossible grasp of a whole range of disciplines of learning, like quantum mechanics, cosmology, astronomy, evolutionary science, neurology, psychology, cognitive biases, philosophy, theology, philology, Old Testament and New Testament studies, Jesus studies, church history, ethics, politics, and so on, and so on, which they use to argue for their faith. No one has such a wide grasp of it all. But far too many of them act as if they do! So they are inauthentic people, unjustly arrogant people, who are pretending to know that which they cannot know, like the Sophists in the days of Socrates.
This is why doubt is the only reasonable position to take about the objective world, its nature, its workings, and its origins (including which religion is true, if there is one) until such time as there's sufficient objective evidence leading to a confident conclusion.
The highest degree of confidence in a conclusion about the objective world is the consensus of scientists working in a field. The lowest degree of confidence in a conclusion about the objective world is one's own subjective feelings. Another conclusion about the objective world that has a very low confidence level is 2nd 3rd 4th-handed down ancient conflicting testimony debated by theologians down through history about extraordinary miraculous claims such as snakes and donkeys that talked, rocks that floated, a bush that didn't burn up, a sun that stood still (and even backed up!), great fish that swallowed a person, a god born of a virgin (based at best on 2nd handed testimony from the mother alone!), resurrecting people, levitating people, a few of which ascended back into heaven where it's claimed God's throne is, along with a 2000 year old prophecy that one of them will come back to a flat earth from which every person on earth will see him.
An Excerpt From My Introduction to "The Case Against Miracles"
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Dr. Randall Heskett Interviews John Loftus On His Book, "The Case Against Miracles"
Dr. Randall Heskett interviews John Loftus on his book, The Case Against Miracles. Loftus speaks about David Hume's critique on miracles and turns the interview on Heskett about his chapter in the book. The two come to a consensus that apologetics is not a field, nor is it honest, nor fair but damaging to both Christianity and intellectual discourse. Loftus speaks about the dangers of faith and the "deplorables" who are bringing down American Society.
Labels: Case against Miracles
An Ecclesiastical Basket of Deplorables
Prey experts pounce during the pandemic
One Bible text that can stop the God-Is-Good crowd dead in its tracks is Genesis 15:13-14:Then the Lord said to Abram, “Know this for certain, that your offspring shall be aliens in a land that is not theirs, and shall be slaves there, and they shall be oppressed for four hundred years; but I will bring judgment on the nation that they serve, and afterward they shall come out with great possessions.”
Was this promise of “great possessions” tacked on as an enticement? Back in Abraham’s day there were many tribal gods, so why would he choose a god who promised that his descendants would become slaves and be oppressed for four hundred years? Why wouldn’t that be a deal-breaker—no matter how many possessions? Moreover, how does any sound, respectable theology absorb, adjust to, this concept of God: A deity who allows such suffering, whose plan encompasses inexplicable delay.
"Don't Read Apologetics!"
Ian says Strobel's book isn't just bad. He says, "This book will make you dumber. No matter how much you already know...you will almost certainly know less by the time you finish this book. It is profoundly deceptive..." (25:45).
It's not just Robert M. Price saying it in his book, The Case against the Case for Christ, or me in my anthology The Case against Miracles--the book apologist Tim McGrew should read before he says anything more about miracles!
The podcasters call Strobel's book dishonest and deceptive from the get-go. It's a textbook case of deceptive apologetics. If this is so, why accept apologetics at all? Ian says it plainly, "Don't read apologetics!" That is, not if your primary goal is to understand the gospels.
Labels: Christian Apologetics
A Visit to the Creation Museum
[Since we are all stuck at home right now and cannot visit museums, here is an updated version of a post about my visit to Ken Ham's sad excuse for one. I hope this helps fill a void until you can actually go there and see all of its wonders for yourself.]
Ken Ham's “unnatural history” museum in Petersburg, Kentucky is, as you probably know, devoted to a literal interpretation of the Bible. It claims to present evidence that the earth is about 6000 years old, that dinosaurs coexisted with humans, that there was a worldwide flood around 2350 BCE, and so on.
It is a bizarre experience from the moment you walk in.
"The Case against Miracles" Will Be Made Into An Audiobook!
The Influence of Pandemics on Religion
This is an excellent presentation by Dr. Darren Slade on how pandemics change history, especially the Justinian Pandemic in the 6th century! Fascinating!
So if western Christians believe their version of Christianity is the true one, they also have to thank their god for the Justinian Pandemic! He no longer works in mysterious ways! His methods are being exposed little by little.
Labels: Pandemic
Quote of the Day On the Philosophy of Religion, By David Madison
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I've said repeatedly that I might be wrong, but no one can say I'm ignorant. After all, I have nearly the equivalent educational background of Dr. Paul Copan, the former President of the Evangelical Society. David Madison can say the same thing by the tenfold, especially seen in his fantastic book, online writings, podcasts and exhaustive reading list of atheist books in The Cure-For-Christianity Library. In his esteemed judgment, after years of studying it out, the evidence conclusively shows the Bible and any religion or theology or philosophy based on it, "deserves the same respect as astrology, alchemy, and belief in a flat earth." His most succinct case is made in a chapter for my recent anthology, The Case against Miracles.
Announcing The Blurbs for Our Anthology "Varieties of Jesus Mythicism."
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The essays contained within this anthology draw their readers out on a provocative adventure, a quest certain to yield many treasures. Yet, this quest is altogether different than that described by Albert Schweitzer in his landmark work The Quest of the Historical Jesus over a century ago. Despite the seeming nobility, such an academic pilgrimage to uncover the originary kernel of the Gospels, now having played out for decades in the halls of academia, has proven little more than a fool’s errand. We now face the obvious: these cultic tales are not and were never given as historiographical “footage” of live first-century events in time and space.
-- Richard C. Miller, Ph,D, author of Resurrection and Reception in Early Christianity, 2014.
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The New Testament Jesus did not exist, but was there a historical figure on whom the legend was based? This anthology will adjust your assessment of the probability. It's a rollicking ride through a biblical battlefield.
-- Dan Barker, co-president of Freedom from Religion Foundation and author of Godless: How an Evangelical Preacher Became One of America's Leading Atheists.
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For a long time mainstream Bible scholars have known that the gospels are not, in fact, reliable histories of Jesus. Even so, there is a consensus that Jesus existed, and doubting that he was a real person is seen as eccentric or fringe. But respected secular scholars—not beholden to what Hector Avalos has called the ecclesial-academic complex—have questioned that consensus. This new anthology is a welcome addition to the growing library of works that invite close inspection of the issue. These essays explore the diverse amalgam of theologies and superstitions in the ancient world, showing that the origins of Jesus-belief are far more complex than devout scholars have been willing to grant. The previous Loftus anthologies have thoroughly documented the falsification of Christianity—and this one adds dramatically to the case against it.
-- Dr. David Madison, author of Ten Tough Problems in Christian Thought and Belief.
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The expert arguments in this book seek to understand how Christianity could have begun without a historical Jesus. All these Mythicist authorities; make very compelling arguments for their respective theories. Which one is correct? Can all of them be correct? Let us think of each contribution as being a description of an evolving thread of religious traditions. If each thread intertwined—at various times and in various places--with all the other threads of tradition described in this book, it should be possible to produce a “grand unifying theory” of how the various forms of earliest Christianity began. Reading this book will be sine qua non for any scholar seeking to trigger a paradigm shift by showing how all these threads braided together to create a Christianity that did not begin at any single point in space or time. This book will be absolutely necessary for any future Jesus mythicist scholar.
-- Frank R. Zindler, author of The Jesus the Jews Never Knew (2003).
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Mainstream experts mostly already agree the miraculous Jesus didn’t exist, but what about a merely human Jesus? This anthology usefully exhibits the full gamut of doubting even that, from the absurd to the sound. Some contributions are not credible, but some are worth considering, and several are brilliant, indeed required reading for anyone exploring the subject. The book will be absolutely necessary for any future Jesus mythicist scholar.
- Richard Carrier, Ph.D., author of On the Historicity of Jesus.
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This is an important and intellectually adventuresome collection of articles, well worth considering, reflecting the wide spectrum of views of those challenging the traditional conservative paradigm on the historicity of Jesus.
-- Russell Gmirkin, author of Plato and the Creation of the Hebrew Bible.
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Of all the books written on Jesus mythicism, there are just a rare few that are scholarly and that hope to contribute something new to your understanding of the new testament texts. This book checks both boxes, and is definitely a must read for all those who want to keep up with mythicist thinking today.
-- Nicholas Ryan Covington (on Amazon) 5.0 out of 5 stars Must Read Mythicist Anthology.
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When Dr. Price was asked about our book at the the GCRR e-Conference on the Historical Jesus, he said, "it's sure to be a classic."
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Christianity: Ten Knockout Punches, Number 9
What Jesus would do isn’t good enough
Here’s a surprising headline from 2014: “Evangelicals Have Higher-than-average Divorce Rates.” This is the opening paragraph of the article: “Despite their strong pro-family values, evangelical Christians have higher than average divorce rates—in fact, being more likely to be divorced than Americans who claim no religion, according to findings as cited by researchers from Baylor University.”Wait a minute. Isn’t this the crowd that always wants to know What Would Jesus Do? These are the words of Jesus in Mark 10:
Magic, Miracles and Madness
Is Timothy McGrew An Expert When it Comes to Miracles?
John Loftus: If Timothy McGrew is considered an international expert on miracles and concluded a virgin named Mary gave birth to the second person of the Trinity, then he's not really an expert. He's certainly not a historian using the standards of the historical method, which is the kind of expert we should turn to for miracle claims in the past, not philosophers. Let's see him respond to this link to show that he's an expert. Can he respond or not? If not, then what atheist Michael Levine says is dead on.
Despite the condescending attitude of Jonathan McLatchie and the McGrews, I think they stand to learn from me. If you know anything about me you know I'm well-read. So I'm telling you there are plenty of critical things said in my book on miracles that I don't think they have considered before. See one of them below.
Labels: Christian Apologetics, Timothy McGrew
Perhaps Now Is The Time To Read My New Anthology!
Labels: Case against Miracles
A Critical Examination of a Panel Discussion On The Resurrection
1. Would you comment on this quote: "The minimal facts approach is not a fair approach the data, to say the least. By virtue of any disagreements it’s not fair for their side to take off the table any “facts” the other side objects to. That is special pleading, pure and simple, in favor of Christian scholarship. So what is offered are “minimal facts, not all the facts”. What is needed is a sound argument for why apologists can arbitrarily exclude certain things from the discussion. Only if both sides agree to this can apologists Habermas and Licona go ahead and make their case. But skeptics atheists and agnostics don't.Before the panel discussion Jonathan McLatchie responded:
John W. Loftus I find your objection to the minimal facts approach quite bizarre. The whole point of the approach is that it is tying one's arm deliberately behind one's back and limiting themselves to data that is granted by the skeptics -- i.e. starting from common ground assumptions. How is that "special pleading in favor of Christian scholarship"?I replied:
Jonathan McLatchie WL Craig and others have said it frees the apologist from first having to defend the authority of the Bible. But defending the authority of the Bible is the major task of theirs. So it allows them to escape from the major task of theirs, which is special pleading.My reply was not mentioned in the discussion. You can watch the video below.
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God’s Spotty Performance on Miracles
Not quite a “tidal wave” of wonders
We Have a Lackluster Democratic Presidential Candidate in Joe Biden, Now What?
What else can we do? One response, the wrong one, is anger, based on feeling marginalized and even victimized by the democratic establishment (DNC), and responding by refusing to vote for Biden. I won't lie. I have sympathies for this view. And the arguments are there, especially for the millions of young people Bernie Sanders has brought into the political process for the first time in their lives! They would not be involved if it wasn't for Sanders. So it would be easy to stick it to the DNC, for sticking it to their man. They had no stake in politics in the first place. They can leave it. "Let people in power go back to screwing the world up, since there's no hope for changing the establishment except for a complete revolution, as shown twice now when it came to Sanders." That was precisely the anti-establishment revolutionary message Bernie offered them as the only way to change politics. That was what got them involved in the first place. With the prospect of four more years of sameness in politics, why bother? Besides, Trump has already done most of the damage in appointing a slew of conservative judges who will be in power for the rest of their lives.
Missionaries Had a Huge Head Start on the Fact-Checkers
Pulling-the-wool has worked from the get-go
“It’s so much easier to believe in God when you hear music like that. I can feel it all coming back to me.” So says one of the characters in James Runcie’s novel, The Road to Grantchester, after hearing Handel’s Messiah. And as the soprano sings “If God be for us, who can be against us?” the protagonist of the story “…is so struck by the fact that the higher notes in the aria are reserved for the words ‘God’ and ‘Christ’ that his tears come unbidden.”I know the feeling. A Mighty Fortress Is Our God was one of the favorite hymns of my youth, and there are few experiences as awesome as hearing it sung in a cathedral accompanied by the thundering bass of a colossal pipe organ. You feel its impact…to your very bones. Even Richard Dawkins has said, “…I don't want to do without Bach's St. Matthew Passion or the Verdi Requiem…”
Music, of course, has become part of the theatre of church, designed to provoke intense emotion, so that tears and belief “come unbidden.” Emotion is a key for the deflection of thought. The church is highly vested in blunting curiosity about evidence; indeed carefully crafted theatre—the choreographed rituals, the architecture, stained glass, artwork—is designed to mask the absence of evidence.
There are also chapters in scripture that are especially well crafted to achieve the same effect, to impress folks with God’s mysterious and awesome ways. One of these is Chapter 10 of the Book of Acts, which itself was designed, not to recount history, but to enhance the faith of Christians well more than half a century after the death of Jesus. The author of Acts knew how to hit the right notes; he was aware of the themes and ingredients that would resonate with his target market.
This is another article in my series on all of the chapters of the Book of Acts. The Introductory article is here. The one on Chapter 9 is here.
The hero in this text is Peter, who, since he is soon to disappear from Acts, gets good press in this chapter. Gone is the strident, vindictive Peter whom we encountered in Acts 5; there he scolded two people death—literally—for not giving all of the money from the sale of property to the church.
Here, however, we find a Peter whom angels recommend. We read that a pious centurion in Caesarea named Cornelius—he was generous and “prayed constantly to God”—was visited by an angel, who instructed him to summon Peter from Joppa; straightaway he sent two slaves and a soldier to fetch Peter.
The next scene is Peter’s famous vision of a large sheet descending from heaven: “In it were all kinds of four-footed creatures and reptiles and birds of the air.” (vv. 11-12) This is not a text for vegetarians: “Then he heard a voice saying, ‘Get up, Peter; kill and eat.' But Peter said, ‘By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is profane or unclean.’ The voice said to him again, a second time, ‘What God has made clean, you must not call profane.’ This happened three times, and the thing was suddenly taken up to heaven.” (vv. 13-16)
We can give demerits for a couple of things in these first sixteen verses, if our hope is to defend Acts as history. An angel is given a speaking role, and both the centurion and Peter have visions in which they receive instructions from God. Visions are certainly real, in the sense that hallucinations are real—bizarre stuff does go on inside the heads of religiously inclined folks. But in this case we can suspect that the visions/angels/voices are simply literary devices. The author is being creative, using the omniscient perspective of a novelist.
But we can appreciate that the author is taking sides in the struggle of the early Jesus movement to decide if it would remain a breakaway Jewish cult—bound by Jewish laws and traditions—or if it should embrace the wider world. This author advocates the latter. Cornelius is not Jewish; he is a Roman centurion praised for his piety. He prayed constantly to God and was favored with an angel visitation: “Your prayers and your alms have ascended as a memorial before God.”
The Old Testament dietary laws take a hit in Peter’s vision of the sheet lowered from heaven: “What God has made clean, you must not call profane.” In this way the author also smacks down the words of Jesus in Matthew 5:18, “For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.” It would seem Matthew was more sympathetic with the “keep it Jewish” faction—and he alone created this Jesus script; it is missing from the other gospels.
While Peter was pondering the vision, he received another revelation (vv. 19-20): “Look, three men are searching for you. Now get up, go down, and go with them without hesitation; for I have sent them.” Peter found them at the front gate—and discovered their mission: “Cornelius, a centurion, an upright and God-fearing man, who is well spoken of by the whole Jewish nation, was directed by a holy angel to send for you to come to his house and to hear what you have to say.”
Peter gave them lodging for the night, then headed off with them to Caesarea to meet Cornelius and his family. Right off Peter demonstrates that he had learned the lesson of the sheet lowered from heaven in his vision: “You yourselves know that it is unlawful for a Jew to associate with or to visit a Gentile; but God has shown me that I should not call anyone profane or unclean.” He was curious about why he had been summoned, and is told: “So now all of us are here in the presence of God to listen to all that the Lord has commanded you to say.”
Again, we can see this author crafting the story with his target market in mind, i.e., diverse members of the Jesus cult (i.e., Jews and Gentiles) who shared the mindset about the spiritual realm. It’s a nice touch that Cornelius had been identified as an upright man “well spoken of by the whole Jewish nation,” (although, inexplicably, Peter didn’t seem to know who he was) thus making the point to these readers that this was a Gentile admired by Jews, and that his Gentile family was “gathered in the presence of God” to hear what Peter had to say.
Peter begins with a surprising expression of ecumenism: “I truly understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.” (vv. 34-35) He then makes the pitch for Jesus, and thereby wanders into a thicket of theological problems:
• “God raised him on the third day and allowed him to appear, not to all the people but to us who were chosen by God as witnesses…” (By-Us-Who-Were-Chosen-by-God, by the way, is a sure mark of cult fanaticism.) It’s almost as if the author of Acts had already encountered skepticism, i.e., isn’t it suspicious that the Risen Lord didn’t appear to anyone outside his circle of acquaintances?—at least in the gospel accounts, which betray no knowledge whatever of Paul’s claim that Jesus appeared to “more than 500” (I Corinthians 15). Why not appear to Pilate or to those who were present at his trial? After all, Jesus promised at the trial that they would see him coming on the clouds of heaven. Yet only the original cult devotees of Jesus saw him. Even then, no doubt, there was skepticism about the farfetched resurrection tale.
• Witnesses “…who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.” Paul knew nothing of these stories, and argued that it was spiritual body, not a physical one that “rose”—so presumably not a revived body that could eat and drink. The author of Acts knew the story of the Empty Tomb, which is never mentioned in Paul’s letters.
• “…he is the one ordained by God as judge of the living and the dead.” Why would Christ the Judge be necessary if, as Peter said at the outset, “…in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.”
• “All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” This is standard New Testament propaganda, and is a lie. There are no prophets, at all, anywhere in the Old Testament who “testified” about Jesus, much less who predicted forgiveness of sins for those who believe in him. The fact-checking concept was unknown to the gullible cult followers who read Acts; they wouldn’t have headed to the library to look up what the prophets had to say. And to receive forgiveness "through a name" is an aspect of magical thinking.
In this short space of ten verses (34-43), Peter, as scripted by our author, has stumbled badly. Well, from the standpoint of consistency and honesty; these virtues are not often demanded of theologians, especially by members of their cults.
But never mind that. Now our author kicks the drama up a few notches (vv. 44-46):
“While Peter was still speaking, the Holy Spirit fell upon all who heard the word. The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astounded that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles, for they heard them speaking in tongues and extolling God.”
So the scene is transformed into a mass séance: a divine spirit has been summoned (by Peter’s mediocre sermonette, no less) and the point is made again that Gentiles as well as Jews are favored—by spirits who cause people to “speak in tongues.” Peter moved to seal the deal (vv. 47-48): “‘Can anyone withhold the water for baptizing these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?’ So he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.” In the fifth chapter we found a similar story of the Ethiopian eunuch who straightaway believed Philip and was baptized on the spot: Philip was a complete stranger who had hopped into his chariot and explained a text from Isaiah—yes, of course, the text was about Jesus.
The author of Acts is a master of cult narrative. He depicts people listening to the pitch and accepting it promptly. No due diligence, no fact checking. These stories set the tone—and the precedent—for missionaries and preachers for centuries to come: “Here’s our message—trust us, we’re in touch with God—come to the altar, be saved, get baptized.” Remember: preachers and missionaries are cult propagandists. No, that’s not too harsh: They are paid by their bureaucracies preserve, protect, and defend their particular versions of the truth. Would your local Catholic priest invite Mormons, Muslims, or evangelicals to services, to preach their opposing versions of the truth? Catholics show up to the get the official approved party line…from their own paid propagandists.
The last thing the bureaucrats want or expect is dissent, due diligence, and fact-checking, especially when trying to win souls for Christ. They just want winning…so much winning.
“New converts in different social contexts,” John Loftus has pointed out, “have no initial way of truly investigating the proffered faith. Which evangelist will objectively tell the ugly side of the Bible and of the church while preaching the good news? None that I know of. Which evangelist will tell a prospect about the innumerable problems Christian scholars must solve? None that I know of.” (The Christian Delusion: Why Faith Fails, p. 90)
John Loftus urges Christians to apply the Outsider Test of Faith to their beliefs. That is: Will they hold up to full, skeptical scrutiny? …the kind you apply to religions you don’t believe in. And this is not rocket-science. It’s a matter of reading the Bible, and analyzing all faith claims, in full skeptical, due-diligence mode, unsupervised by priests or preachers. Now it’s their turn to face the fact-checkers.
David Madison was a pastor in the Methodist Church for nine years, and has a PhD in Biblical Studies from Boston University. His book, Ten Tough Problems in Christian Thought and Belief: a Minister-Turned-Atheist Shows Why You Should Ditch the Faith, was published by Tellectual Press in 2016. It was reissued in 2018 with a new Foreword by John Loftus.
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